Mariyam Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I'm a fan!! maniac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raki05 Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 He has really matured over the year in terms of pace, line and length....whereas Mavi became trundler and koti doesn't even get chance regularly. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 I am leaving this here so that those with zero understanding of fast bowling can come back after some time and realize that they don't have the eye for talent. Arshdeep Singh is not international quality, let alone tests, he would get clobbered in international odis and t20is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Adamant said: I am leaving this here so that those with zero understanding of fast bowling can come back after some time and realize that they don't have the eye for talent. Arshdeep Singh is not international quality, let alone tests, he would get clobbered in international odis and t20is. Me too. I am not big on him but can't argue with his results in t20 though. Have to reward players at some point. Only 22. We have too many young talented bowlers now anyway. Prasidh tyagi umran avesh etc. Adamant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 6:52 PM, Jay said: Arshdeep is also lot taller than I thought. We needed one or 2 tall pacers with good bounce for variation. Arshdeep 190 cm aka 6'3 Krishna - 6'3 Tyagi - 6'3 Kuldeep sen 6'2 Porel 6'3 no need for trundler porel. rest are good. kuldeep is a bit raw though. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Vijy said: no need for trundler porel. rest are good. kuldeep is a bit raw though. Kuldeep isn't raw. Playing domestic cricket for sometime now. You can't let genuine fast bowlers keep domestic cricket. All great fast bowlers make their debuts early. Suhaan, Vijy and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Count me in. He is a smart operator and bowls well under pressure. However, I think he is good for the IPL and am not looking at him as an international prospect yet. Good club cricketers may not transition into good international level cricketers and that's fine. They are still valuable assets in club cricket. maniac and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, nevada said: Count me in. He is a smart operator and bowls well under pressure. However, I think he is good for the IPL and am not looking at him as an international prospect yet. Good club cricketers may not transition into good international level cricketers and that's fine. They are still valuable assets in club cricket. He is bowling to international cricketers, not just club cricketers. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 14 hours ago, Adamant said: I am leaving this here so that those with zero understanding of fast bowling can come back after some time and realize that they don't have the eye for talent. Arshdeep Singh is not international quality, let alone tests, he would get clobbered in international odis and t20is. Intangibles like "international quality" aren't in a state of stasis. People improve with time. And with exposure. And Arshdeep is doing all he can for his franchise now. Think of it this way, last year he was quite ineffective. So much so, that he was meme material. This season people are taking notice. Two seasons down the line, he could be a world beater. Who knows! raki05, maniac and singhvivek141 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Intangibles like "international quality" aren't in a state of stasis. People improve with time. And with exposure. And Arshdeep is doing all he can for his franchise now. Think of it this way, last year he was quite ineffective. So much so, that he was meme material. This season people are taking notice. Two seasons down the line, he could be a world beater. Who knows! Arshdeep was one of the best last year too with 18 wickets in 12 games and respectable ER of 8.27. In fact, he doesn't have wickets this year. raki05, Vijy and singhvivek141 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singhvivek141 Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 Whether he may or may not be an international material is a different question, but considering his performance across the seasons, he looks like a bowler who clearly knows what his strengths are and is able to execute them consistenly. Also, I am happy to see that he has upped his pace from 128-135 range to 135-142. We have handed over India cap to Sakariya, Unadkut in the past...and Arshdeep is better than them. Mariyam, nevada, raki05 and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Intangibles like "international quality" aren't in a state of stasis. People improve with time. And with exposure. And Arshdeep is doing all he can for his franchise now. Think of it this way, last year he was quite ineffective. So much so, that he was meme material. This season people are taking notice. Two seasons down the line, he could be a world beater. Who knows! I disagree with you here, the problem with Arshdeep is that he is one of those bowlers who relies on pace changes, doesn't move the ball much and doesn't get steep bounce and bowls 135-142 and that too in t20s. Combine this with the fact that his ball kisses the surface instead of hitting it hard, these type of bowlers don't succeed in international cricket. The problem starts from his earlier years and it would take a hell lot of effort to change that, his bowling style is vanilla and he offers nothing unique. Mariyam and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Adamant said: I disagree with you here, the problem with Arshdeep is that he is one of those bowlers who relies on pace changes, doesn't move the ball much and doesn't get steep bounce and bowls 135-142 and that too in t20s. Combine this with the fact that his ball kisses the surface instead of hitting it hard, these type of bowlers don't succeed in international cricket. The problem starts from his earlier years and it would take a hell lot of effort to change that, his bowling style is vanilla and he offers nothing unique. Imo if you don't have a killer bouncer or aren't able to consistently get lift off surface then you should quit test and odi cricket. Yea you can be a swing trundler but you have to be like God tier in your ability to seam the ball off the surface which means your wrist has to flick downwards post release. It straps your wrist alot and it's not easy. Plus you need to compensate by being a decent hitter/batsman. There is a reason why philtrundler sucked donkey balls in Asia. He sucks when there is nothing on the pitch and when the ball stops moving around. I absolutely despise such bowlers. I cannot stand trundlers in general. Mcgrath was not a trundler. He bowled 130-138 which is pretty good with potent ability to hit outside off and ofocurse natural or consistent bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 hours ago, Adamant said: I disagree with you here, the problem with Arshdeep is that he is one of those bowlers who relies on pace changes, doesn't move the ball much and doesn't get steep bounce and bowls 135-142 and that too in t20s. Combine this with the fact that his ball kisses the surface instead of hitting it hard, these type of bowlers don't succeed in international cricket. The problem starts from his earlier years and it would take a hell lot of effort to change that, his bowling style is vanilla and he offers nothing unique. You plead your case with far too much logic and technical know-how of bowling. Makes for a very dull arguement. In matters of grave importance, its style and not substance or sincerity that counts. Adamant, flamy and express bowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingstoned Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) On 4/27/2022 at 12:01 PM, Adamant said: I disagree with you here, the problem with Arshdeep is that he is one of those bowlers who relies on pace changes, doesn't move the ball much and doesn't get steep bounce and bowls 135-142 and that too in t20s. Combine this with the fact that his ball kisses the surface instead of hitting it hard, these type of bowlers don't succeed in international cricket. The problem starts from his earlier years and it would take a hell lot of effort to change that, his bowling style is vanilla and he offers nothing unique. He is quicker and bouncier than what he was last year so that is a plus. Bowlers like him and Harshal will do well for 20-30 games which is what we should take advantage of. Not everyone is destined to have a long international career. Having a good head on one's shoulders counts for more than skill sometimes. In a crunch last over scenario I would back this guy over Bumrah atm. Edited April 28, 2022 by rollingstoned nevada and Adamant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) On 4/27/2022 at 12:01 PM, Adamant said: , the problem with Arshdeep is that he is one of those bowlers who relies on pace changes, doesn't move the ball much and doesn't get steep bounce and bowls 135-142 and that too in t20s. Combine this with the fact that his ball kisses the surface instead of hitting it hard, these type of bowlers don't succeed in international cricket. The problem starts from his earlier years and it would take a hell lot of effort to change that, his bowling style is vanilla and he offers nothing unique. Very well put. Arshdeep has a good head on his shoulders but that should be coupled with atlesst 1 prominent bowling tool that is exceptional too ... and he has none as of today. He may succeed till the novelty lasts in international cricket ... but I would rather go for someone who can do well for 7 to 8 years atleast. Choosing a short term prospect for immediate gains means we are blocking a spot for a potential long term candidate too. Edited April 28, 2022 by express bowling Adamant and Mariyam 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, rollingstoned said: He is quicker and bouncier than what he was last year so that is a plus. Bowlers like him and Harshal will do well for 20-30 games which is what we should take advantage of. Not everyone is destined to have a long international career. Having a good head on one's shoulders counts for more than skill sometimes. In a crunch last over scenario I would back this guy over Bumrah atm. Are you saying bunrah is mentally weak? I am agreeing btw if you are inplying that. Although he does have some really stellar performances in tests. I think he is as good as Cummins in tests and probably top 2 in the world. In LOI I feel he is vastly overrated and mentally weak. Based on results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 nevada, Under_Score and raki05 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhaan Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Keep him miles away from odi side and test side,T20 side fine express bowling and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/28/2022 at 2:47 PM, Jay said: Are you saying bunrah is mentally weak? I am agreeing btw if you are inplying that. Although he does have some really stellar performances in tests. I think he is as good as Cummins in tests and probably top 2 in the world. In LOI I feel he is vastly overrated and mentally weak. Based on results. Bumrah lacks that bounce that Arshdeep can generate. On a good fast bouncy pitch he can be handful. But on docile surface due to height Arhsdeep extracts more bounce. raki05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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