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We can have a mini KO tournament ... 4 teams are a Delhi, 4 at A’bad ... Use the current points table as seeding: 

 

Group Delhi

 

Q1: CSK v SRH

Q2: MI v RR

SF1: Q1 v Q2

 

Group A’bad

 

Q3: DC v KKR

Q4: RCB v PK

SF2: Q3 v Q4

 

Final: SF1 v SF2 at some relatively safe venue (not used before) 

 

Can be wrapped up quickly and we will get to see so many KO games!

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Just now, Texan said:

That would be very unfair to the teams that did not make it to the top 4. It is better to abandon this year rather than change the rules midway through the series. 


Technically, no team is confirmed in the top 4 yet. The seeding would account for the current performance though ... Of course, to cancel is another option but this is if BCCI wants to continue 

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25 minutes ago, zen said:

We can have a mini KO tournament ... 4 teams are a Delhi, 4 at A’bad ... Use the current points table as seeding: 

 

Group Delhi

 

Q1: CSK v SRH

Q2: MI v RR

SF1: Q1 v Q2

 

Group A’bad

 

Q3: DC v KKR

Q4: RCB v PK

SF2: Q3 v Q4

 

Final: SF1 v SF2 at some relatively safe venue (not used before) 

 

Can be wrapped up quickly and we will get to see so many KO games!

 

Did you not tell me in the other thread that a curtailed tournament was not an option when I suggested that the top 2 teams should play the final and then tournament should end early?

 

Oh, I get it.. MI didn't make the top two, so that's not an option.. Hence we have to include all teams till the point that MI is covered :hatsoff:

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12 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

Did you not tell me in the other thread that a curtailed tournament was not an option when I suggested that the top 2 teams should play the final and then tournament should end early?

 

Oh, I get it.. MI didn't make the top two, so that's not an option.. Hence we have to include all teams till the point that MI is covered :hatsoff:


Nothing to do with any team ... The purpose of group stage, where teams play 14 games each, is to get into playoffs (from playoffs into the final to decide the winner) ... 6 teams have only played 7 games with the knowledge that there would be 14 ... the format in the OP:

 

a) Gives every team a fair chance 

b) Accounts for current performances through seeding

c) Helps the tournament to wrap up in a few days, achieving the goal of a completed tournament (if it is imp for BCCI) & incorporating proactive measures 

 

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It would add two games to the original idea, but to reduce the fluke factor I would setup the group stages like the current playoff format where #1 plays #2.  Winner goes to group final.  #3 vs #4, loser goes home, etc.

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Makes no sense to keep all teams at par.. SRH can fluke a couple of wins and go on to win the finals.. 

 

Maybe just have playoffs as normal taking only 7 games of each team into consideration instead of 14.

 

Qualifier 1 : CSK vs DC

Eliminator : RCB vs MI

Qualifier 2 : Loser of Qualifier 1 vs Winner of Eliminator

Final : Winner of Q1 vs Winner of Q2.

 

(OR)

 

Play the final straight with the top two teams - CSK vs DC

 

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31 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Makes no sense to keep all teams at par.. SRH can fluke a couple of wins and go on to win the finals.. 

 

Maybe just have playoffs as normal taking only 7 games of each team into consideration instead of 14.

 

Qualifier 1 : CSK vs DC

Eliminator : RCB vs MI

Qualifier 2 : Loser of Qualifier 1 vs Winner of Eliminator

Final : Winner of Q1 vs Winner of Q2.

 

(OR)

 

Play the final straight with the top two teams - CSK vs DC

 

 

Technically at the moment, no team is confirmed as #1 or #2 (there can be fan favorites) w/ many still needing to play 7 more games. The table changes weekly (it is just that currently x or y is at the top. If team z has 3 good games and x/y a couple of bad ones, the table could change, and so on). Also since the teams would not informed of the change to reduce group games, it would be highly unfair on other teams who would seeking to make a comeback ... The mini KO would give all teams a fair chance including teams such as SRH, which at the moment can technically qualify for playoffs too if it had the opportunity to play 14 games, if it plays well to turn its game around. A team has to win 3 KO games in a row. The one that does it, deserves to be the champion  

 

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9 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Technically, no team is confirmed as #1 or #2 (there can be fan favorites) w/ many still needing to play 7 more games. The table changes weekly (it is just that currently x or y is at the top. If team x has 3 good games and x/y bad ones, the table could change, and so on). Also since the teams would not informed of the change to reduce group games, it would be highly unfair on other teams who would seeking to make a comeback ... A KO would give all teams a fair chance including teams such as SRH, which at the moment can technically qualify for playoffs if it played 14 games, if it plays well. A team has to win 3 KO games in a row. The one that does it, deserves to be the champion  

 

So, SRH not getting a chance to come back in unfair, but SRH fluking a win against CSK or KKR against DC is fair? 

CSK and DC have consistently done well in 7 games and deserve a better shot at the playoffs than floundering teams like SRH and KKR 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

So, SRH not getting a chance to come back in unfair, but SRH fluking a win against CSK or KKR against DC is fair? 

CSK and DC have consistently done well in 7 games and deserve a better shot at the playoffs than floundering teams like SRH and KKR 

 

 

Yes, because we cannot assume that team x or y would be #1-2 after 14 games. You need to finish the group stage to determine that.  If the crisis happened after say 3 games, below would be the table.

 

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After 4 games

 

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After 6 games

 

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At the above points, an RCB fan can make the same argument as you. After 10 games, the table could be different (venues change, form change, etc.), and so on 

 

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1 hour ago, zen said:

 

Yes, because we cannot assume that team x or y would be #1-2 after 14 games. You need to finish the group stage to determine that.  If the crisis happened after say 3 games, below would be the table.

 

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After 4 games

 

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After 6 games

 

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At the above points, an RCB fan can make the same argument as you. After 10 games, the table could be different (venues change, form change, etc.), and so on 

 

 

Each of those has the same teams in the top 4... What are you smoking?

Anyways that's besides the point.

 

7 games is a far more logical point that 3 games or 4 games because each team has played every other team exactly once.. And it is the midpoint of the league stage.. In unforseen circumstances like these, I'd rather take this as the logical break-point to identify the teams that should qualify from here on than assume that every team has an equal opportunity to qualify through a quarter final

 

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We are at a convenient spot where every team has played all opponents once except DC vs PBKS who have played each other twice.  Take the standings as of Saturday (last of the first go through) and call that your end of season standings.

 

Yeah, pretty much what bowl_out said. 

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48 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

Each of those has the same teams in the top 4... What are you smoking?

Anyways that's besides the point.

 

7 games is a far more logical point that 3 games or 4 games because each team has played every other team exactly once.. And it is the midpoint of the league stage.. In unforseen circumstances like these, I'd rather take this as the logical break-point to identify the teams that should qualify from here on than assume that every team has an equal opportunity to qualify through a quarter final

 

 
Unless a provision is made before hand in the terms (currently 14 games that decides playoff spots) and an advance notice provided (so it can be agreed beforehand by all teams) 5,6,7,8,9, etc., are just #s (whatever your pick for what makes sense. Happenstance does not carry weightage)

 

No team is going to accept missing out w/o being given an opportunity to fight for a comeback (Stakeholder Mgmt). Teams missing out would rather prefer the tournament to be cancelled so may not come on board for an ad hoc proposal in the first place. On the other hand, teams playing well would rather prefer to play these teams than see the tournament get cancelled. For any team to accept any new ad hoc proposal, it would first see that it has a fair chance too 

 

PS in short, 6/8 teams will not accept CSK and DC as #1-2 much like the remaining teams will not accept RCB or xyz as #1 after x games if some crisis had happened earlier or later (if it moves up again for e.g.) w/o a prior understanding on the cut off # 

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