ANNOUNCED: Indian squad for the WTC final and five match Test series against England

[Vickydev]

Such a shame for Porel..he should have been in the extended squad at least. He has been among the best seamers in domestic and for India A, would have been superb in English conditions. 

[RajBan]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes he can but he has been very inconsistent in england.  Ill play ishant , siraj and bumrah. But fitting in thakur wud be important coz in england batting depth is also very important. 

Agree on Thakur part. I have been a hard critique of him in past and for right reasons where he got undue preference ahead of Siraj and Saini . But he has shown lot of steel and application in last few months. Infact in current form  he is potentially more effective all rounder than Hardik when it comes to test matches as he is a decent bowler who can bat well as compared to Pandya who is a ok batsman who can also bowl occassionally.

[rollingstoned]

I wanted to see bhuvi/ chahar as their bowling is tailor made for those conditions but there is no way they won't be a liability with their fitness during a test match. In that case thakur is the right choice even if he is a worse bowler than both. Especially when the showoff Pandya whom the tm has invested a lot in isn't fit enough to bowl even 15 overs an innings in SENA. It is going to be a long England campaign so there are chances that some other players may be flown in eventually. It does look atm like they picked a spinner too many in the squad. 

 

I'd love Siraj to be picked as first choice but it will happen eventually rather than immediately in the England series.

[Straight Drive]

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

 

I love Sundar and want him groomed as a potential 3 format player, esp with the ODI WC coming up in a few years.  I have been hyping Sundar for more than 2 years on the forum.  

 

But you don't need to attack another player to praise Sundar.

 

Is a test match winning 5 wicket haul in England not considered clutch? 

 

Is a fighting 90 scored in a hard fought away test series in South Africa not considered 'clutch'?

 

 

If you take comparison of batting of two all rounders as attack then there is nothing more to say.

 

[Straight Drive]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

That 90 was the biggest fluke. He was out almost 3 times. 

Not all players have the skills to score a chanceless 90. Even specialist batsmen get dropped in an innings of 50 plus. The more important point to me is whether that 90 helped to draw or win the test. Those two results are crucial. The impact is more important.

[Straight Drive]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

*ing this chutiya Boult gets hammered by Australia England and even poyz. Somehow we make him out to be some second coming of marshall. He is not that good. Just put some lefty opener. Or use right left combo. Play Gil. Gill has a good game vs swing. Watch his Atours games to get an idea of how he played in such Conditions. His problem is actually off spin. 

His main weapon is swing. Many batsmen will succumb to such type of bowlers when the conditions favor swing.

 

To my knowledge, Matt Henry played even full season of county championship once for sure. I guess we will see him in their bowling attack as well given that he has experience of bowling in those conditions.

[New guy]

10 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

I will play Shammi bumrah and ishant as 3 premier pacers along with Ashwin or jaddu as spinners.

 

Ishant could be replaced by Siraj in some tests. 

 

12 hours ago, RajBan said:

Will play Shami ahead of Ishant if fully fit. Shami can win matches single-handedly and also reverse.

Not in England, NZ  he can't. Shami stats are available for all to see and he really struggles on swinging pitches like England and nZ ones

 

Ishant (and Siraj) are way better than him on those pitches 

 

The biggest mistake we made in NZ was not to have an out and out swinger and the only difference between NZ and us were that we couldn't take new ball wickets while they did

 

Now you want the exact same mistake to be repeated. The results will be the same 

Edited May 8, 2021 by New guy

[Lone Wolf]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

*ing this chutiya Boult gets hammered by Australia England and even poyz. Somehow we make him out to be some second coming of marshall. He is not that good. Just put some lefty opener. Or use right left combo. Play Gil. Gill has a good game vs swing. Watch his Atours games to get an idea of how he played in such Conditions. His problem is actually off spin. 

Our batsmen have genuine weakness against left arm swing bowling.  They rarely encounter this while growing up as India don't have many left arm pacers in domestics.  S Curran was a noob in 2018 freakin schoolboy when he made us dance with his left arm swing.  Boult has far more pace than Curran plus swing.  So he troubles us extra.  Any left armer that brings the ball back in is like nightmare for a right hander.  That's why having a left right combo can work sometimes. 

[Lone Wolf]

3 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

Not in England, NZ  he can't. Shami stats are available for all to see and he really struggles on swinging pitches like England and nZ ones

 

The biggest mistake we made in NZ was not to have an out and out swinger and the only difference between NZ and us were that e couldn't tale new ball wickets 

 

Now you want the exact same mistake to be repeated 

Agreed people forget that our bowling also failed in NZ..  That second test could have been very close of we jad bowled better with new ball.  We missed a swing bowler over there.  Umesh was bowling leg stump half volleys..  Bumrah was bowling hit the deck lengths.  Someone like Siraj with dukes can be very handy over like Shami.  Ishant also bowls full plus his seam position is great for lefties.  Shami is the weak link. 

[raki05]

It's better to open with Sundar than Mayank/Rohit. Rohit can play in mo just in case required.

[Adamant]

12 hours ago, RajBan said:

Will play Shami ahead of Ishant if fully fit. Shami can win matches single-handedly and also reverse.

In English conditions Shami is way inferior to someone like Ishant 

[Adamant]

12 minutes ago, raki05 said:

It's better to open with Sundar than Mayank/Rohit. Rohit can play in mo just in case required.

Sundar hasn't done anything to suggest that he has a good game against the moving ball. 

Actually even in this Ipl when he opened the innings he was looking totally uncomfortable. 

[Straight Drive]

9 minutes ago, raki05 said:

It's better to open with Sundar than Mayank/Rohit. Rohit can play in mo just in case required.

Sundar played clutch knocks but expecting him to open is too much imo. He is better than Bhuvi, Pandya, Axar Patel and Ashwin as test batsman and has more potential than them given what he has acheived at age of 21, but I don't think he is better than Mayank Agarwal.

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Sundar hasn't done anything to suggest that he has a good game against the moving ball. 

Actually even in this Ipl when he opened the innings he was looking totally uncomfortable. 

IPL batting required aggresive shot making from start and he doesn't have that game. Hence he was looking uncomfortable. But had no issue with pace , bounce as evident in aus. Against swing all Indian batters are walking wkt ,but atleast he has solid defence and game awareness for test cricket. However I agree it ll be too early for him to open in swinging condition but looking at the openers what we have I just hope they survive fist 15-20 overs without loosing too many wkts.

[Adamant]

1 minute ago, raki05 said:

IPL batting required aggresive shot making from start and he doesn't have that game. Hence he was looking uncomfortable. But had no issue with pace , bounce as evident in aus. Against swing all Indian batters are walking wkt ,but atleast he has solid defence and game awareness for test cricket. However I agree it ll be too early for him to open in swinging condition but looking at the openers what we have I just hope they survive fist 15-20 overs without loosing too many wkts.

I am more worried about Gill than Sharma, he wasn't even able to handle Anderson in India. 

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Adamant said:

I am more worried about Gill than Sharma, he wasn't even able to handle Anderson in India. 

Gill should try not to get LBW at any cost..  Get Caught behind driving I don't mind.  He stays leg side & has big gap between bat n pad.  Anderson might own him in England but he should try to go for his shots & score a few.  He ain't lasting long otherwise. 

[ind_hyd1]

Not able to fathom Navdeep Saini's exclusion 

[rollingstoned]

https://cricketaddictor.com/cricket-news/reports-bcci-advised-prithvi-shaw-to-shed-a-few-more-kilos-before-the-england-tour-snub/

 

Reports: BCCI Advised Prithvi Shaw To Shed A Few More Kilos Before The England Tour Snub

 

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One of the most-talked-about omissions from India’s squad to England for the World Test Championship final and the subseuqent England Test series was Prithvi Shaw. The selectors ignored Prithvi Shaw and opted for Rohit Sharma, Shubman Gill, Mayank Agarwal, and KL Rahul for the opening slot. Meanwhile, the BCCI has reportedly advised Shaw to shed a few more kilos before being considered.

Prithvi Shaw has bounced back exceptionally well after the management axed him from the first Test of the Australia tour. The right-handed batsman had faults associated with his technique and he worked well on those to top the run-scoring charts in the Vijay Hazare Trophy this year, amassing more than 800 runs. Shaw was also in red-hot form for the Delhi Capitals this year.

 

A BCCI source opined that as a 21-year old, Prithvi Shaw needs to be rapid on the turf and lose a bit more weight. The Indian cricket board also claimed that his fielding remains substandard, but acknowledged the hard work he has been doing since returning from Australia. And the BCCI remains confident that if Rishabh Pant could turn things around in a few months, Shaw could too.

“Prithvi is still very slow across the turf for a 21-year-old. He needs to shed a few more kilos. He also had concentration issues while fielding in Australia. Shaw has been working hard since he returned from Australia. He has the example of Rishabh Pant right in front of him. If Pant can turn things around in a few months, Prithvi too can do it,” the BCCI source was quoted as saying,” the source claimed as quoted by Times of India.

Prithvi Shaw has to sustain the form for a few more tournaments: BCCI

Prithvi Shaw. (Credits: Twitter)

The apex board of Indian cricket also believes that the 21-year old must show consistency and underlined that the selectors often pick him based on one good series. They opine that the Maharashtra-born cricketer is too good a batsman to be overlooked for long

 

 

“He has to sustain this form for a few more tournaments. He has often been picked on the basis of one good series and then he has struggled in international cricket, He is too good a player to be ignored for long,” it added further.

[Ankit_sharma03]

50 minutes ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Not able to fathom Navdeep Saini's exclusion 

• Not in form
• His bowling wnt suit in england condition

[Jay]

43 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Anonymous BCCI sources can churn out bullshit on tap without any fear of being held accountable in media. Most of the ex-players dare not call these out either because there's a real risk of losing media, coaching and admin gigs with all the perks they come with.

 

Where does one even begin with that nonsense that Shaw has ''often been picked on the basis one good series and struggled in International cricket''?

 

Let us be serious here, Shaw has failed in exactly one test. Wouldn't even call his series in NZ a failure. In fact, he was a qualified success in ODIs.

Yea it sucks but his technique in Australia din't help. He needs to shed some weight to be fair.