Ranvir Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Crusade. It was a movie I watched over and over as a child. Great storyline, brilliant chemistry between Ford and Connery, I liked the young Indiana Jones segment as well, the love interest was beautiful and the action set pieces were the best in the series. Doom is probably the worst. Not only was the story less grand, it was lazy in portraying Sinhalese Sri Lankans as North/Central Indians. That scene where they are eating snakes and monkey brain still rubs me up the wrong way. India is the most vegetarian country in the world. The most memorable thing about it was Amrish Puri's theatrical performance. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) After binge watching the first 3, I plan to watch Skull in its new 4k transfer soon. Skull takes place in 1950s, focusing on the Comrades. No more Nazis elements as Spielberg probably could not see them as funny villains after making Schindler’s List Now if Spielberg would have made Schindler’s List before Raiders, which many consider to be his best film, who knows Raiders may not have been made or at least not like we enjoy it today Indy 5 (directed by Mangold) is likely to focus on the 1960s with some flashbacks to the Nazis (Ford probably made to look young digitally) Edited June 10, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Ranvir said: That scene where they are eating snakes and monkey brain still rubs me up the wrong way. India is the most vegetarian country in the world. As a vegetarian, I do not like watching the scene but I have nothing against the film for showing that (movies are not realistic anyways esp. a series like Indy where logic is kept aside) One element of many Indian audiences is that they have a lot of baggage. For a film called Padmavat some ppl were doing riots. When Egyptians are shown as underdeveloped or whatever in Raiders, it is ok and they will enjoy it but Temple, they will not for Ind. If Muslims are shown as terrorist in various Hollywood films, it is ok. If Hindus are shown as villains, the film is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, zen said: As a vegetarian, I do not like watching the scene but I have nothing against the film for showing that (movies are not realistic anyways esp. a series like Indy where logic is kept aside) One element of many Indian audiences is that they have a lot of baggage. For a film called Padmavat some ppl were doing riots. When Egyptians are shown as underdeveloped or whatever in Raiders, it is ok and they will enjoy it but Temple, they will not for Ind. If Muslims are shown as terrorist in various Hollywood films, it is ok. If Hindus are shown as villains, the film is bad That movie was banned in India for theatrical release for a reason. It is one thing to show Indians as villains, but a different thing to show them as weird snake and monkey brain eating weirdos. That’s not the worst part, that white leading lady smearing perfume on Indians because she feels they are smelling bad is racist. Will Hollywood get by showing Chinese and Koreans as dog/cat eating weirdos? It was wrong in so many levels. Stop defending racism in the garb of movies. This is normalization of racism. Kali maa is a revered shakti peeth goddess, to show the devotees as a human sacrificing cult is bad enough, this is how the brits demonized the thugee tribals as a weird tree worshiping cult to kill them and occupy their land. Bad racist movie. Edited June 10, 2021 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: That movie was banned in India for theatrical release for a reason. It is one thing to show Indians as villains, but a different thing to show them as weird snake and monkey brain eating weirdos. . Will Hollywood get by showing Chinese and Koreans as dog/cat eating weirdos? It was wrong in so many levels. Stop defending racism in the garb of movies. This is normalization of racism. Laughable ... Hollywood has dealt with cannibalism as well Quote That’s not the worst part, that white leading lady smearing perfume on Indians because she feels they are smelling bad is racist Inaccurate ... the lady showers perfume on an elephant ... If the location was Arabian desert, she would have done that to a camel (and in good humor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, zen said: Laughable ... Hollywood has dealt with cannibalism as well Inaccurate ... the lady showers perfume on an elephant ... If the location was Arabian desert, she would have done that to a camel (and in good humor) Just before the monkey brain eating scene in the dinner, she smears perfume on a fat Indian prince. Watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Just before the monkey brain eating scene in the dinner, she smears perfume on a fat Indian prince. Watch it As a vegetarian, I skip such sequences (any such segment in any film including in Padmavat where Khilji is shown to be eating weird stuff) ... Even if she does smears perfume, it is not an issue for me as for me as she is doing it to an individual (whether Indian or whoever). She was even shown smelling her own clothes when on the elephant and sprinkling perfume on herself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, zen said: As a vegetarian, I do not like watching the scene but I have nothing against the film for showing that (movies are not realistic anyways esp. a series like Indy where logic is kept aside) One element of many Indian audiences is that they have a lot of baggage. For a film called Padmavat some ppl were doing riots. When Egyptians are shown as underdeveloped or whatever in Raiders, it is ok and they will enjoy it but Temple, they will not for Ind. If Muslims are shown as terrorist in various Hollywood films, it is ok. If Hindus are shown as villains, the film is bad I'm not a vegetarian and I didn't mind them showing the villagers as poor but the way the eating habits of Indians were portrayed were too much. First of all the villagers offer Jones some disgusting looking dish on a leaf when he arrives. The banquet scene just portrayed Indians as savages, even the rich ones. Even in Octopussy the main 'Indian' bad guy (a white man carrying out brownface) also ate a goat's eye. You can bet your bottom dollar Spielberg would have cried anti semitism if Jews were portrayed in a such a negative manner. The most disappointing thing is that George Lucas who created Indiana Jones and wrote the story borrowed so much from Hinduism and Buddhism for Star Wars. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ranvir said: I'm not a vegetarian and I didn't mind them showing the villagers as poor but the way the eating habits of Indians were portrayed were too much. First of all the villagers offer Jones some disgusting looking dish on a leaf when he arrives. The banquet scene just portrayed Indians as savages, even the rich ones. Even in Octopussy the main 'Indian' bad guy (a white man carrying out brownface) also ate a goat's eye. You can bet your bottom dollar Spielberg would have cried anti semitism if Jews were portrayed in a such a negative manner. The most disappointing thing is that George Lucas who created Indiana Jones and wrote the story borrowed so much from Hinduism and Buddhism for Star Wars. I do not see any malicious intent. Much like how Bollywood films show Sardars for comedy, the example of Padmavat where Khilji is shown as barbaric, and so on ... Below how a South Indian is portrayed in a song: I do not see the above as malicious intent ... maybe even an attempt to recreate Mehmood comedy song below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILgrhR9rjyM We can't be so fragile to be complaining about such stuff accepting x but not y ( laughing if for e.g. Arabs were to be shown in certain ways and claiming something else for Ind) ... Hollywood has used jew stereotypes as well (many film industries have had various stereotypes in the past) ... Threads like this focus on the films and not on such unnecessary topics Edited June 10, 2021 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just finished Skull … the ants scene made me itchy Overall the transfers of 4 films are a nice upgrade over the previous ones (blu ray), may not be reference like a 4K UHD of Tenet but the films look very good. This is a nice gift for Indy fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 18 hours ago, Mariyam said: Why do you call it a rip off?? Bollywood bettered an average Hollywood flick. Also the Hollywood movie didn't have catchy music. That's a cardinal sin right there. Its not very different from the advent of Islam. Our prophet was is the seal of prophets. He revealed the final message which was a bettered amalgamation of all earlier messages. Its like an I phone 12 vs I phone 1 comparison tbh. Point taken. Adapted to Indian tastes, not rip off. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Army ants Btw, the army ants (marabunta) sequence appears to be inspired from an old Hollywood film (the naked jungle): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, nevada said: Point taken. Adapted to Indian tastes, not rip off. Why, is there a dearth of Indian stories? certainly shows how lazy these makers are! They are mere knock-off makers, adaptation/inspiration is just glorification and normalization of their hack jobs. coat tailing lazy bums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 IMO, Temple has the best ending in terms of action sequences (its last hour is basically nonstop action) ... Other films have supernatural elements attached to the ending ... Particularly interesting is the score by John Williams esp. below: Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 Indy 5 shooting news - Fire works at Bamburgh Castle On my last trip to Germany, I recall driving to Bamburg so was confused with the spelling but now realize that this is Bamburgh Castle in UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Raiders Blu ray v 4K (may not be 100% accurate but gives a rough idea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zen Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 June 30, 2023 release date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Harrison Ford Reveals His Reason for Returning to Indiana Jones 5 In a recent profile on the film in Empire Magazine, Ford spoke about the upcoming film and said that his motivation for returning to the franchise was more about seeing where a character like Indiana Jones would be at the “end of his journey.” “I just thought it would be nice to see one where Indiana Jones was at the end of his journey,” Ford said. “If a script came along that I felt gave me a way to extend the character.” I hope that the film does not have a "sad" ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 The trailer is out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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