Have pujara, kohli, rahane REALLY replaced dravid, sachin and vvs

[express bowling]

Just now, kohli said:

Agree with you but current Indian batsman faced  only 2 good spinner lyon & herath.(swann in one series.)

 

 

Without any doubt, the fab 4 faced better spinners overall.

 

But current batters have to deal with DRS which is a different kind of challenge.

 

This makes it difficult to compare linearly.

 

 

[Lord]

They themselves are answering this

[Lord]

In similar conditions Sachin and co. scored 628/8

 

Even Bangar got 60 odd

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-2002-62276/england-vs-india-3rd-test-63999/full-scorecard

[zen]

I have followed Ind cricket extensively from 1990s to maybe the 2011 WC and now follow it in a selective manner 

 

Sachin, Dravid and Laxman played a lot of games and have their share of failures (even in SL)
 

When these 3 were playing, It was refreshing to see guys like Sehwag turn things around with their high SR batting, helping Ind win a series for the first time in Pak. Showed how to play spin in SL, when these 3 failed to measure up. These 3 were likely to fail against strong bowling attacks (apart from a good inning here or there in a series). These 3 also played among the strongest batting line ups that Ind has fielded involving players like Ganguly, Sidhu, Gambhir, etc., in various series 

 

Today, guys like Pujara have put their bodies on the line to help Ind win 2 consecutive series in Aus, where Ind never won a series before. Kohli has hit multiple 100s in tough series 

 

 

[zen]

In 98/99, there was an Asian Test championship. The final was played b/w Pak & SL … Ind’s notable failure was the Kol test v Pak - Link

 

At times, you even felt what if Ind had a batsman like a Lara (who used to surprise you with big knocks) or a S Waugh (who did great in mid to late 90s including hitting a 200 in WI. His ability to fight it out in the middle was well known)

 

Edited June 20, 2021 by zen

[Jimmy Cliff]

I think they've been decent replacements. Indian batting has come a long way from the times when low impact plodders who used to be outbatted by the likes of Kirmani against strong Aussie/NZ attacks were considered "ATGs". At least these guys won't go through nearly 50 Tests against non-minnows without contributing to a single win .

[Majestic]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

In 98/99, there was an Asian Test championship. The final was played b/w Pak & SL … Ind’s notable failure in the Kol test v Pak - Link

 

At times, you felt if Ind had batsman like a Lara (who used to surprise you with big knocks) or a S Waugh (who did great in mid to late 90s including hitting a 200 in WI)

 

VVS Laxman was known for those pressure knocks especially overseas.

[Lord]

15 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

I think they've been decent replacements. Indian batting has come a long way from the times when low impact plodders who used to be outbatted by the likes of Kirmani against strong Aussie/NZ attacks were considered "ATGs". At least these guys won't go through nearly 50 Tests against non-minnows without contributing to a single win .

 

Wins are a function of bowling attacks

 

Give them Agarkar,Nehra and likes and we won't even save tests

[adi B]

No comparison. 

This lot cant play against swing and spin to save their lives 

[Norman]

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Edited June 20, 2021 by Norman

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

No

 

Our bowling has gotten way better but these days we lose Tests due to batting mostly

It's not like batsmen in srt, Dravid, laxman time we didn't lose because of batting. No one can't forget getting out at 76 at home or 100 all out scores. Even in England, we won two tests in England with these greats one in 2002 and one in 2007. With current bats, we did same one in 2014 and one in 2018. Even against Aus, we won just 1 test in 2003 and 1 in 2007-08. So just 2 tests. 

[Lord]

11 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

It's not like batsmen in srt, Dravid, laxman time we didn't lose because of batting. No one can't forget getting out at 76 at home or 100 all out scores. Even in England, we won two tests in England with these greats one in 2002 and one in 2007. With current bats, we did same one in 2014 and one in 2018. Even against Aus, we won just 1 test in 2003 and 1 in 2007-08. So just 2 tests. 

 

in 2002 we scored 628  and in 2007 we scored 450+ in overcast conditions.In 2007 we could have won 3rd Test if Dravid enforced follow on.We scored 600+

 

How many times we see that nowadays?

 

Give that batting this bowling and we'll see lot more wins

[zen]

The embarrassing Nagpur Test v Aus in 2004  Link 

[zen]

Test series loss in even Zim in 1998 Link 

[zen]

100 and 66 all out in SA in 1996 Link  

[sarcastic]

52 minutes ago, zen said:

Test series loss in even Zim in 1998 Link 

This match is not relevant to this thread if your point is the oldies were bad. 
Dravid was the best batsman of this match (from both sides) and there is no VVS. It does not prove anything about this thread.

[sarcastic]

38 minutes ago, zen said:

100 and 66 all out in SA in 1996 Link  

Again this match does not talk much about this thread either.

Dravid was in his first year of test cricket and there is no VVS.

Only thing, this match and the last one shows is that SRT failed and team India failed along with him.

[zen]

1 minute ago, sarcastic said:

This match is not relevant to this thread if your point is the oldies were bad. 
Dravid was the best batsman of this match (from both sides) and there is no VVS. It does not prove anything about this thread.

 

There is Ganguly and Azhar in that line up. As long as the majority are playing, along with equivalent batsmen, it shows that those batting line ups had a fair share of failures 

[sarcastic]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

 

There is Ganguly and Azhar in that line up. As long as the majority are playing, along with equivalent batsmen, it shows that those batting line ups had a fair share of failures 

True. But Ganguly is not really a test specialist. He has some memorable knocks here and there but he kept his place (in 2000s) mostly due to his captaincy and him being a great ODI player. He came back in around 2007 with some good test level knocks but that is only at his fag end.

Azhar was well past his prime by summer of 1996. He has some good knocks here are there (like the one against Aus in 98 at Eden and some knocks agains SA) but overall I never was confident about him during that era. Anything from him appeared as bonus. 
 

I am not saying earlier people were flawless. My comparison is only for the 2001-2011 era Dravid/SRT/VVS that we used to feel proud about. Are the present bunch just replacements of them is the question.

Edited June 20, 2021 by sarcastic

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

in 2002 we scored 628  and in 2007 we scored 450+ in overcast conditions.In 2007 we could have won 3rd Test if Dravid enforced follow on.We scored 600+

 

How many times we see that nowadays?

 

Give that batting this bowling and we'll see lot more wins

They didn't have to face all time great bowling pair of Broad and Anderson