zen Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, sarcastic said: True. But Ganguly is not really a test specialist. He has some memorable knocks here and there but he kept his place (in 2000s) mostly due to his captaincy and him being a great ODI player. He came back in around 2007 with some good test level knocks but that is only at his fag end. Azhar was well past his prime by summer of 1996. He has some good knocks here are there (like the one against Aus in 98 at Eden and some knocks agains SA) but overall I never was confident about him during that era. Anything from him appeared as bonus. I am not saying earlier people were flawless. My comparison is only for the 2001-2011 era Dravid/SRT/VVS that we used to feel proud about. Are the present bunch just replacements of them is the question. Many of the above points are pedantic, imo ... I am focused on the big picture, where such batting line ups (including consisting of equivalent batsmen) had a fair share of colossal failures ... If you want precise data, it only takes a few seconds on statsguru to know how many times they have scored 250 or less when playing together (all have played ODIs at various points including VVS and Dravid, who even did wktkeeping) PS One should try to not look at players as "replacement" unless in the same squad imo as lineups overs the years change therefore have their pros and cons. Rules and playing conditions change too ... In terms of effectiveness, Pujara and Kohli are by and large as effective (if not more) as anyone before them in the history of Ind cricket Edited June 20, 2021 by zen Link to comment
Andy Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 One big difference that I have observed between the batsmen of that team and this team is that most of them were stroke players who used to go for boundaries if the ball was a half valley or wide that were there for cut. Only Rahul Dravid used to play in Pujara mould but that was pre 2000, then we had our batting struggles. Ever since we started playing freely with that team even with 80/4 we would recover and post a decent total either with Rahul VVS, Ganguly VVS or Tendulkar VVS. This team allows bowlers especially Pujara to settle and dominate, let alone scoring boundaries for the balls there to be hit, he doesnt even rotate the strike. Gill and Rohit were going well, after the wicket of Rohit, Pujara came and blocked everything and didnt exchange singles for longer period of time which meant both of them allowed the bowler to settle in and continued playing one bowler for longer period of time which Rohit and Gill werent doing and Gill was out quickly as well. raki05 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Pujara is just riding on some so called great innings he played against smith and Warner less aus. Where even rookie Pant also score some 450 runs. If you take out that aus series he was complete dud in eng, nz and sa in past 10 years. And at present in last 2 years he is useless everywhere on top of that he is strokless wonder. Laaloo, rtmohanlal, Banton and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Im more worried about the next batch who ll replace kohli, pujara, rahane. Apart from gill no one inspires much confidence in test Link to comment
Lord Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Im more worried about the next batch who ll replace kohli, pujara, rahane. Apart from gill no one inspires much confidence in test Shaw,Rahul,Vihari will all take over Link to comment
neel roy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 20 hours ago, zen said: True. But Ganguly is not really a test specialist. He has some memorable knocks here and there but he kept his place (in 2000s) mostly due to his captaincy and him being a great ODI player. He came back in around 2007 with some good test level knocks but that is only at his fag end. Expand Ganguly scored 16 centuries, 2 99s ( eng and Srilanka) 1 98 not out ( overseas win chasing 265 in kandy in 4th innings). India never lost when he scored 90 plus.. as any team would give anything to get a proper batsman ( not wk) with an average of 42 and 16 centuries batting at NO 5/6. No country in recent times has a no 6 specialist batsman with an average of even 35. so yes he was a good test cricketer..not great but good.. kohli, raki05 and express bowling 1 2 Link to comment
zen Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, neel roy said: Ganguly scored 16 centuries, 2 99s ( eng and Srilanka) 1 98 not out ( overseas win chasing 265 in kandy in 4th innings). India never lost when he scored 90 plus.. as any team would give anything to get a proper batsman ( not wk) with an average of 42 and 16 centuries batting at NO 5/6. No country in recent times has a no 6 specialist batsman with an average of even 35. so yes he was a good test cricketer..not great but good.. The post you quoted is not written by me Link to comment
neel roy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, zen said: The post you quoted is not written by me 7 minutes ago, zen said: The post you quoted is not written by me 7 minutes ago, zen said: Ganguly scored 16 centuries, 2 99s ( eng and Srilanka) 1 98 not out ( overseas win chasing 265 in kandy in 4th innings). India never lost when he scored 90 plus.. as any team would give anything to get a proper batsman ( not wk) with an average of 42 and 16 centuries batting at NO 5/6. No country in recent times has a no 6 specialist batsman with an average of even 35. so yes he was a good test cricketer..not great but good.. @sarcastic Link to comment
mishra Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I will take Laxman, Dravid, Sachin anyday. Infact even one from that era will do. Only person from current era who has more defining innings/tournament by career age is Pant. raki05 1 Link to comment
neel roy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, mishra said: I will take Laxman, Dravid, Sachin anyday. Infact even one from that era will do. Only person from current era who has more defining innings/tournament by career age is Pant. Bhai I will happily take jaffer or gautam gambhir in prime. Forget big 4. Have anyone watched jaffers ton in the greenest of mambas in newland in 2006/7 opening against top sa quicks. mishra and raki05 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Mostly for away matches Bowling attack of Australia in 2018 and 2021 was better than any Australian attack than since 1991 except 1999. Bowling attack of England 2014 and 2018 was way better than any England attack of 1990s and 2000s. At best 2011 attack was similar, but conditions weren't difficult to bat. Current line had to face best English attack of 2 decades in coditions favorable to bowlers. Fab 4 faced inferior attacks in better batting conditions. Bowling attack of NZ in 2021 was best attack of NZ since 1990s. 2002 was difficult for fab 4, mostly due to coditions. Apart from Bond, rest of the bowlers were average. Very less matches against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. SA tours were mostly equally difficult. Bowling attack was not great as attacks of 90s, but conditions were difficult last time around. SL - Bowling attacks were better earlier due to presence of Murali. Pakistan - Except 1999 all bowling attacks were average. West Indies - Bowling attacks were better ealier, express bowling 1 Link to comment
Praveen 06 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 In tests 1. Sachin 2. Sunny/dravid 3. Kohli/sehwag In ODIs 1. Kohli 2. Sachin/Rohit 3. Dhoni In t20is 1. Kohli 2. Kl/rohith 3. Yuvi/raina Link to comment
Praveen 06 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 All formats 1. Kohli 2. Sachin 3. Rohit/Dravid Link to comment
mishra Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) When players like Sachin Dravid SMG joined, they were one of the best in their team. despite other greats around. Kohli was nowhere close to even Gambo for most part of his career till all those greats including VVS retired. We have made a terrible mistake by iving him so much adulation, because now, he has made a team of ordinary and continues effing talents. I just hope he gets kicked out by selectors unceremoniously. He is cancer to Indian Cricket. This man should be treated worse then fixer Mohmmed Azaharuddin and deserve to be put in that category for messing Team India for his personall financial gains Edited June 22, 2021 by mishra Link to comment
kohli Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 9 hours ago, mishra said: When players like Sachin Dravid SMG joined, they were one of the best in their team. despite other greats around. Kohli was nowhere close to even Gambo for most part of his career till all those greats including VVS retired. We have made a terrible mistake by iving him so much adulation, because now, he has made a team of ordinary and continues effing talents. I just hope he gets kicked out by selectors unceremoniously. He is cancer to Indian Cricket. This man should be treated worse then fixer Mohmmed Azaharuddin and deserve to be put in that category for messing Team India for his personall financial gains Don’t blame kohli for everything. We don’t have lara , sachin waiting outside from playing xi. Link to comment
putrevus Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 They are playing in the most bowling friendly conditions both home and away compared to what Sachin, VVS and Dravid played for most part of their careers. Kohli and company have played majority of their tests with just five batsmen. Sachin and co rarely played with just five batsmen. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 10:09 PM, Lord said: in 2002 we scored 628 and in 2007 we scored 450+ in overcast conditions.In 2007 we could have won 3rd Test if Dravid enforced follow on.We scored 600+ How many times we see that nowadays? Give that batting this bowling and we'll see lot more wins English bowling attack was average back then. Third test pitch was absolute patta Link to comment
Lord Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 hours ago, rkt.india said: English bowling attack was average back then. Third test pitch was absolute patta Headingly conditions were very tough and 2nd day we literally batted in the dark 2007 Anderson was there.In 3rd Test we bowled them out for 345 even with our poor attack Link to comment
putrevus Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Lord said: Headingly conditions were very tough and 2nd day we literally batted in the dark 2007 Anderson was there.In 3rd Test we bowled them out for 345 even with our poor attack 2007 Anderson was not that great. Link to comment
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