" Seniority " over " Current Ability ", as the main selection criterion, is preventing Team India from realizing its true potential

[mishra]

36 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Agree. Our bowling has been top class from 2018 onwards. Our pacers have had the best away averages as well as home averages as a group in this period, before the final.

 

Bumrah, Shami and Ishant have all been excellent. Also Siraj in the limited opportunities he has got. They have bailed us out when batsmen have failed.

 

Only thing on this topic is ... we need to look forward and look to find replacements for Ishant and Umesh. Ishant has not been fully fit for the last 2 years and there are better bowlers than Umesh in India now.

 

Siraj is ready as one replacement. One among Prasidh and Avesh may replace the other. This step needs to be taken pro-actively without hanging on to Ishant and Umesh now. This is where preferring seniors must stop.

 

If Kohli is not there as skipper, we can play any of the names you have mentioned. When Kohli is captaining, the young pacers will end up getting hit , loose their confidence and then fans will say that Ishant was better or Umesh was better. I feel young pacers deserve a better captain to lead instead of Kohli screwing their debuts or averages.

 

For example, not just bounce, they can add or substract few centimeters from swing and add easily or subtract 5+- miles from pace. English conditions support pacers, no doubt about it, but same conditions turns against the pacer if Skipper cant make best use of it.

 

I have no faith in Kohli being able to debut young players in England where wind/overcast conditions play major role.

[neel roy]

You know what is the biggest problem in indian cricket.. its the fact that now player and coach are more powerful than selectors. Till Dhoni became the captain all the power lay in hand of selectors.. go back in time.. jimmy amarnath.. selectors are jokers etc proves how powerful selectors were.. now they have become yes man. Can you imagine Kohli dropped as a player or captain by selectors.. but it happened in 1990 after srikkanth came back from pak tour with a creditable draw.. the azhar was dropped as a player and captain.. ganguly faced same.. so the moot point is there was an oversight and a system

of checks and balances.. power was not concentrated only in one place.. but alas now everything is controlled by Kohli n Shastri.. selectors are just nameplate.. cant blame them.. look at their names Chetan Sharma and then compare them with polly umrigar and gundappa viswanaths of the world in 80s 90s..

[express bowling]

Shastri keeps talking about being the next " WI of the 1980s ".

 

If he wants that then he and Kohli should start picking the best players available for any match, based on current form and current ability.

 

Take a top down approach to team selection.

 

Write down the name of ...

The best 5 batsmen

The best 3 pacers

The best batsman keeper 

2 best all-rounders 

 

Best based on 

1)  Current form

2)  Current ability and not reputation / seniority

3) Playing conditions.

 

Edited June 26, 2021 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Shastri keeps talking about being the next " WI of the 1980s ".

 

If he wants that then he and Kohli should start picking the best players available for any match, based on current form and current ability.

 

Take a top down approach to team selection.

 

Write down the name of ...

The best 5 batsmen

The best 3 pacers

The best batsman keeper 

2 best all-rounders 

 

Best based on 

1)  Current form

2)  Current ability and not reputation / seniority

3) Playing conditions.

 

 

Acc to me on current form

 

• Pant is our best test batsman
• Rohit n KL in ODI's 

 

Bowling

 

• Siraj in terms of how he is bowling is the best bowler but yea yet to bowl in white ball cricket in international, but the way he is bowling currently he is our best bowler 
• Ashwin at his peak best but we are wasting him by not using him in LOI
• Rahul chahar shud be in our white ball XI 

All rounder

• Jadeja is the only all rounder , but i still have no confidence in his batting at no. 7 in LOI unless he has some 20 overs to bat
• Pandya till he doesnt bowl isnt an all rounder
• Sundar is a batsman who can bowl in test and bowler who can bat in t20 
• thakur is a bowler who is a damn good choice at 8 ,  but his bowling works only if its used smartly so not all condition n situation kind

 

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Shastri keeps talking about being the next " WI of the 1980s ".

 

If he wants that then he and Kohli should start picking the best players available for any match, based on current form and current ability.

 

Take a top down approach to team selection.

 

Write down the name of ...

The best 5 batsmen

The best 3 pacers

The best batsman keeper 

2 best all-rounders 

 

Best based on 

1)  Current form

2)  Current ability and not reputation / seniority

3) Playing conditions.

 

You are expecting too much professionalism from Clown and Loudmouth. Their rules are simple

i. Pick players who are meek and have surrendered to their dictatorship

ii. Friends of the captain

iii. Selections which will show them as all powerful

iv. Each selection opportunity has to be used to aggrandise more power unto them

 

Forget the test team for a while, Clown says our white ball cricket team is all sorted. Someone needs to wake him up and tell him that since 2019, in ODIs we lost to Aus, got knocked out in 2019 WC , followed by losing the series in Aus and NZ . All we have done is beat WI (who lose to BD) and recenty Eng at home. But clown seems to be very happy.

[Vijy]

On 6/24/2021 at 1:32 AM, express bowling said:

At least one new batsman must be introduced at 3, 4 or 5.

 

Can't allow 3 senior batters to underperform for 2 years and still be certainties.

 

Otherwise we will keep on having batting collapses.

 

 

actually, we need to replace all of our top 5 except for the openers. Keep Rohit for now (he hasn't done much wrong since 2020) and move Gill to No. 5. We need three more players. Since 2020, the avgs of Kohli, Chepu and Rahane are 24, 26, and 28, respectively - just not good enough. For these 3 players, Sundar should replace one of them and play at 4. The other two should be chosen from 1 of KLR/Shaw/Agarwal (opener) and then finding 1 more.

[express bowling]

In tests, after Pant, Washington Sundar is looking the most composed among our batsmen. 

 

Combining defence with attack as per match situation.

 

Has a good idea about where his off stump is.

 

Showing great temperament.

 

A discerning and courageous captain and TM would include him in the playing 11 as a batsman in tests.  

 

But Kohli will probably prefer Vihari or Rahul based on seniority.

Edited June 27, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

20 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

 

Forget the test team for a while, Clown says our white ball cricket team is all sorted. Someone needs to wake him up and tell him that since 2019, in ODIs we lost to Aus, got knocked out in 2019 WC , followed by losing the series in Aus and NZ . All we have done is beat WI (who lose to BD) and recenty Eng at home. But clown seems to be very happy.

 

 

I almost dropped my smartphone when I was reading that statement by Kohli.

 

Here we have a top 3 that are aging and play ODIs like test matches ... Dhawan will be 37 during WC 23 but we have no backup ready ... both our wrist spinners have lost their mojo ... Bumrah is hugely out of form ... our other white ball pacers bowl slower than Axar Patel ... and yet Kohli thinks that our white ball team is all sorted.

 

I seriously think that it is an issue of lack of clear thinking ability on his part. He lacks clarity of thought and this thing can rarely be improved.

 

This is why he never wins anything.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by express bowling

[Ankit_sharma03]

21 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Forget the test team for a while, Clown says our white ball cricket team is all sorted.

does he even his t20 batting order

• Rahul started in england series
• Kishen opened n Kohli loved it
• Then kohli opened n said its something he is looking to explore
• Now dhawan will open in SL over kishen
• SKY who was 3 will have to move down if kohli comes at 3, but Kohli wanted to keep him at 3

 

Confusion hi confusion. He ll enter t20 Wc with a lineup and by the end of it ll look like a completely different line up and if you see the lineup in the last series it ll be something else. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by Ankit_sharma03

[ShoonyaSifar]

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

does he even his t20 batting order

• Rahul started in england series
• Kishen opened n Kohli loved it
• Then kohli opened n said its something he is looking to explore
• Now dhawan will open in SL over kishen
• SKY who was 3 will have to move down if kohli comes at 3, but Kohli wanted to keep him at 3

 

Confusion hi confusion. He ll enter t20 Wc with a lineup and by the end of it ll look like a completely different line up and if you see the lineup in the last series it ll be something else. 

We know the clown is dumb but giving those insights is the work of  some of the 18 member strong support staff (4 coaches, 2 analysts) but they are all cheerleaders.

 

BTW only recently I came to know that we now travel with a 18 member team of support staff

Head Coach

Bowling Coach

Batting Coach

Fielding Coach

Physiotherapists (2)

Team Doctor

Masseur (2)

Throw Down Assistant (2)

Video Analyst (2)

Tour Manager

Logistics Manager

Media Manager

Digital Content Creator

Anti Corruption and Security Officer

 

Apparently, the families of support staff are in England as well. It must be 100+ member contingent on the tour.

 

Even for SL LOIs, a 20 member support staff has been named (28 roles above plus two selectors)

[Lord]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

I almost dropped my smartphone when I was reading that statement by Kohli.

 

Here we have a top 3 that are aging and play ODIs like test matches ... Dhawan will be 37 during WC 23 but we have no backup ready ... both our wrist spinners have lost their mojo ... Bumrah is hugely out of form ... our other white ball pacers bowl slower than Axar Patel ... and yet Kohli thinks that our white ball team is all sorted.

 

I seriously think that it is an issue of lack of clear thinking ability on his part. He lacks clarity of thought and this thing can rarely be improved.

 

This is why he never wins anything.

 

 

 

the way he handled the no.4 position in runup to WC 2019 says everything.Played Rayudu and gave him long rope and assurance

 

then dropped him in WC and played Pant and DK

[Trichromatic]

One common aspect of all in-form/great/ATG/purple patch players is that they are able to dominate when conditions are favorable for them. 

 

Are current set of batsman performing better in home condtions? - Not really.

 

Are they making fielding side chase leather on flat decks? - Not really, remember 70-4 on flat Chennai pitch.

 

Are they scoring and dominating bowlers when conditions become easy in overseas matches - no, they keep playing in same mode.

 

Before worrying about difficult conditons, first need to start scoring in favorable condtions regularly. 

 

Applies at levels - could be scenario of weak link bowling in the session or strong bowler being wayward, could be easier batting conditions, could be old ball situation whatever it is, need to capitalize for easy conditions first.

[Lord]

no shortage of apologists

 

 

[express bowling]

Bump !

 

Young Iyer comes in and scores a century.

 

And he isn't even the best prospect for test cricket.

 

While Pujara and Rahane fail in both innings.

 

Just shows how they are occupying valuable spots, just based on seniority, that should have gone to performing younger players.

Edited November 28, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Ishant Sharma is just placing the ball there at medium pace with minimal movement.

 

Runs out if steam after bowling just 5 overs.

 

He has missed the 7 out of the last 15 tests in the last 2 years due to injury and lack of fitness.

 

Has lost the fitness to be a frontline pacer in tests.

 

But is an automatic selection in every test based on seniority.

 

Complete lack of professionalism on display here.

Edited November 28, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Bhuvi has lost fitness and energy from mid-2018

 

Ishant has lost fitness and energy from early 2020.

 

Umesh loses steam if he has to bowl too many overs on the trot.

 

Shami is not bowling with his usual energy and pace in 2021.

 

But all are first preference selections overs younger quicks apart from Bumrah.

 

Why is it taking so much time to recognize current ability and form. !!!!

Edited November 28, 2021 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Kohli has been poor in tests in the last 2 years.

 

His T20 batting has sharply deteriorated in the last 14 months.

 

Is it being recognized ??

Edited November 28, 2021 by express bowling

[Jay]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Bhuvi has lost fitness and energy from mid-2018

 

Ishant has lost fitness and energy from early 2020.

 

Umesh loses steam if he has to bowl too many overs on the trot.

 

Shami is not bowling with his usual energy and pace in 2021.

 

But all are first preference selections overs younger quicks apart from Bumrah.

 

Why is it taking so much time to recognize current sanity and form. !!!!

You are telling me prasidh won't do better than ishant now? Praisdh who averages 23 in first class. 

[nevada]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Ishant Sharma is just placing the ball there at medium pace with minimal movement.

 

Runs out if steam after bowling just 5 overs.

 

He has missed the 7 out of the last 15 tests in the last 2 years due to injury and lack of fitness.

 

Has lost the fitness to be a frontline pacer in tests.

 

But is an automatic selection in every test based on seniority.

 

Complete lack of professional on display here.

How did he even make it back to the team? Wasnt the England series proof enough that he is done?

[Pollack]

Ishant is tall and still useless. Any other bowler with the same height and playing since ages would have improved leaps and bounds by now. These Ishant Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja are the most useless investment by Indian cricket. Atleast Jadeja started being useful in Tests but Ishant is still pathetic as ever.