Israeli settlers in Occupied Palestine

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Israeli extremists are building a case against Israel of genocide in Gaza.

Videos of Israeli Defence Force:

 

 

South Africa has taken Israel to ICJ for Genocide in Gaza:

 

 

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South Africa hands ICJ evidence of genocide in Gaza by Israel:

 

 

South Africa 

 

Earlier, Spain, Ireland, and Norway joined in too to stand by South Africa. Below is a speech by Norway a few months ago:

 

 

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A moving speech by Norway! 

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In West Bank = Israel is breaking the international laws against settlements, driving the Palestine population out.
 

In Gaza = Israel is facing genocide charges. Settlers plan to target Gaza as well. 
 

 

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Good to see some Israelis speak against the genocide in Gaza:

 

 

 

Time to reflect on cowardly Israeli violence against women and children in 1948 in places such as Deir Yassin (Near Jerusalem):

 

 

^ Many of these people were under the gun in Europe and come and do this in the ME.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, zen said:

One cannot be bombing civilian areas even if some Hamas militants are there. Gaza is externally controlled by Israel, which has killed more innocent Palestinians than Hamas has killed innocent Israelis. The extremist in Israel are similar to Hamas. Some extremist “settlers” want Gaza too and hope for the Palestinians there to be wiped out (videos posted on the thread).
 

You can Google the death toll in Gaza, where approximately 1/3rd dead are said to be children. Even some people in Israel are speaking up:

 

 

 

Hamas is wrong but so are the extremists in Israel, who try to undermine Palestine’s voice.

 

In a video that I posted earlier (posted below again), Care International has accused Israel for creating obstacles to provide humanitarian assistance (“people are burning alive”):

 

 

^ And the global press is questioning if Hamas militants were really there.

The same international bodies won't say **** when Hamas attacked Israel. Even the so called Islamic countries aren't ready to open their borders and give refuge to the Palestinians, shows how little they care of their lives. 

 

It's simple, 2 state solution isnt a solution, just like India don't trust Pakistan anymore...Israeli's won't trust Palestinians. Jordan & Egypt need to open the borders and take accept the population. Sooner they do that, faster the war will end.

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, zen said:

In West Bank = Israel is breaking the international laws against settlements, driving the Palestine population out.
 

In Gaza = Israel is facing genocide charges. Settlers plan to target Gaza as well. 

It's internal matter of Israel, they can do with their own public what they want to do.

If any other nation has any problem, they are free to take up the people.

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1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

The same international bodies won't say **** when Hamas attacked Israel. Even the so called Islamic countries aren't ready to open their borders and give refuge to the Palestinians, shows how little they care of their lives. 

 

It's simple, 2 state solution isnt a solution, just like India don't trust Pakistan anymore...Israeli's won't trust Palestinians. Jordan & Egypt need to open the borders and take accept the population. Sooner they do that, faster the war will end.

are you Marco?

 

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1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

The same international bodies won't say **** when Hamas attacked Israel. Even the so called Islamic countries aren't ready to open their borders and give refuge to the Palestinians, shows how little they care of their lives. 

 

It's simple, 2 state solution isnt a solution, just like India don't trust Pakistan anymore...Israeli's won't trust Palestinians. Jordan & Egypt need to open the borders and take accept the population. Sooner they do that, faster the war will end.

Israel has been accused of genocide in Gaza due to the nature and scale of damage it has inflicted on Gaza. 
 

Palestinians are fighting for their homeland occupied by Israel. They want their country back. 

 

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's internal matter of Israel, they can do with their own public what they want to do.

If any other nation has any problem, they are free to take up the people.

To imply that it is an internal matter of Israel probably shows only a fleeting understanding of the issue. 
 

[singhvivek141]

26 minutes ago, zen said:

Israel has been accused of genocide in Gaza due to the nature and scale of damage it has inflicted on Gaza. 
 

Palestinians are fighting for their homeland occupied by Israel. They want their country back. 

 

To imply that it is an internal matter of Israel probably shows only a fleeting understanding of the issue. 
 

As I mentioned, historically that region was always of Jews, Christians and Muslims came later.
Just because they were persecuted and has to ran away, doesn't mean the illegal occupiers can be given the permanent ownership of the land.

Even I want Hinglaj Mata temple back, I want Kashgar (old Kashi) back is it possible now ? No it isn't, Palestinians too need to accept the reality and not to fall for the propaganda of Hamas.

One can't compare the nature and scale of damage just by make a headcount, proportion wise Israeli's are heavily outnumbered. It's in core Hamas charter itself that they want to wipe out Jews entirely from the land, why didn't the Palestinians opposed Hamas then ? 

It's a simple case of my tommy tommy and your tommy dog. Israeli gave the jobs to these Palestinians honoring the 2 state theory, and they in turn deceived them and became the informants for Hamas which led to October attack last year. Now when Hamas is seeing a clear defeat, they is asking for 2-state solution again, why would Israeli's accept it now and give them an opportunity to regroup again ?

Simple solution is, Islamic states like Jordan and Egypt need to take the Palestinian refugees, handover the Gaza to Israel entirely and negotiate to pause any further operations in West Bank. If I know right, even Jordanian queen is a Palestinian, why don't she accept her own people ? Hypocracy ?

Edited November 13, 2024 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

48 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

are you Marco?

 

Saw this for the first time, what he's saying isn't wrong.
Onus of casualty has to be on Hamas primarliy, Israel has acted in self-defense and they've every right to. 
Tomorrow if Pak launches and attack on Indian villages and civilians, they can't expect India to only hit at military establishments at secluded place and cause zero casualty on Pak civilians. That's the nature of modern warfare.

If they want zero civilian casualty, let the IDF and Hamas come face to face in an uninhabitated island. Whoever wins will capture the land and have 100% control on civilians.

[singhvivek141]

2 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Just wrong on so many levels.

 

Israel created Hamas to destroy PLO.

 

Religion doesn't determine the son of the soil. Race does.

 

Israelis are a bunch of white men cosplaying Jewish religion to steal middle eastern land.

Why don't we say the same to the indigenous people of Australia, US, NZ, SA and other Latin American countries ?
Let's throw out all the whites back to UK.

[singhvivek141]

12 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

Who is going to throw them out?

 

Natives are already dead or they are a very small number who mostly live in reservations.

 

Disagree on the Latin American countries. They are mixed. Bolivia has high native blood.

It's a simple point bro, that land belong to Jews....historical texts confirm that. Temple Mount existed way earlier than Al-Aqsa Mosque....just because someone in the power persecuted and forced them to leave their land, it doesn't mean they've to be a refugee for eternity.
Israel was in agreement with 2 state theory, giving Gaza and West Bank to Palestinians, Hamas lead by Palestinians broke the agreement, its upto Israel now to what extent they want the land back.

Also, FYI...just like now we cant throw out whites. We can't throw out Israeli's as well, most of the population now is born and brought up in Israel, it's their land now. So it's an internal power struggle to which would have ended lot earlier had the external parties (Hezbollah, Iran, USA) kept their hands off.

The moment external parties will get involved directly, it was expected to be blown out of proportion.

Egypt, Saudi knew that, hence they kept their hands off this conflict. MBS rightly pointed out it's an internal issue of Israel, the OIC should have accepted that instead of bringing down more pain on the civilians.

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41 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

As I mentioned, historically that region was always of Jews, Christians and Muslims came later.
Just because they were persecuted and has to ran away, doesn't mean the illegal occupiers can be given the permanent ownership of the land.

Even I want Hinglaj Mata temple back, I want Kashgar (old Kashi) back is it possible now ? No it isn't, Palestinians too need to accept the reality and not to fall for the propaganda of Hamas.

One can't compare the nature and scale of damage just by make a headcount, proportion wise Israeli's are heavily outnumbered. It's in core Hamas charter itself that they want to wipe out Jews entirely from the land, why didn't the Palestinians opposed Hamas then ? 

It's a simple case of my tommy tommy and your tommy dog. Israeli gave the jobs to these Palestinians honoring the 2 state theory, and they in turn deceived them and became the informants for Hamas which led to October attack last year. Now when Hamas is seeing a clear defeat, they is asking for 2-state solution again, why would Israeli's accept it now and give them an opportunity to regroup again ?

Simple solution is, Islamic states like Jordan and Egypt need to take the Palestinian refugees, handover the Gaza to Israel entirely and negotiate to pause any further operations in West Bank. If I know right, even Jordanian queen is a Palestinian, why don't she accept her own people ? Hypocracy ?

 

“Israelis” came in as “refugees” to Palestine. Rothschilds $$$ are said to have contributed to Jews buying land in Palestine and may have also influenced the British govt under whose control Palestine was. 

 

In 1947/8, Palestine was “unfairly” divided (large part of land given to a relatively small population) into Israel and Palestine. Currently, Israel is occupying Palestinian  territories. 
 

It is not about driving Israelis away or giving them the whole Palestine by hook or crook to it but also giving Palestine their homeland. 
 

Below even some Jews are unhappy as Israel’s horrific actions are fueling anti-semitism: 

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

8 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Israel would not exist without external parties. It would have never gotten created in the first place.

 

If USA stopped vetoing sactions against Israel, Israel would have fallen a long time ago.

 

The moment Israel falls is the day American Imperialism falls. Good people wait for that day to happen.

 

Specifically talking about this war,
Hezbollah and Iran aggrevated this war to much much longer scale.

Biggest example in India-Pak war of 1971, US couldn't interfere due to Soviet's presence, and the war was ended in 2 weeks.
Had US intervened there, that war would have went for years completely destroying Bangladesh, parts of Pakistan and India.

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, zen said:

 

“Israelis” came in as “refugees” to Palestine. Rothschilds $$$ are said to have contributed to Jews buying land in Palestine and may have also influenced the British govt under whose control Palestine was. 

 

In 1947/8, Palestine was “unfairly” divided (large part of land given to a relatively small population) into Israel and Palestine. Currently, Israel is occupying Palestinian  territories. 
 

It is not about driving Israelis away or giving them the whole Palestine by hook or crook to it but also giving Palestine their homeland. 
 

Below even some Jews are unhappy as Israel’s horrific actions are fueling anti-semitism: 

 

 

 

Palestinians had been given much more bigger land, but since the day of Israel formation they're attacking on Jews and in return losing territory one after the other.
1967 war, where the entire muslim nations combined and attacked Israel was an even bigger farce. Israel beated them with help of US and acquired more land.

As I said earlier, the onus of this war lies entirely on Hamas, Palestinians had they wanted peace should have resisted vs Hamas. Last 20-30 years there was mostly peace in the region barring few rockets firing here and there.
Even now, Palestinians can inform IDF about Hamas hiding points and let the war end once and for all. But they choose to be on the wrong side.

 

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11 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Palestinians had been given much more bigger land, but since the day of Israel formation they're attacking on Jews and in return losing territory one after the other.
1967 war, where the entire muslim nations combined and attacked Israel was an even bigger farce. Israel beated them with help of US and acquired more land.

As I said earlier, the onus of this war lies entirely on Hamas, Palestinians had they wanted peace should have resisted vs Hamas. Last 20-30 years there was mostly peace in the region barring few rockets firing here and there.
Even now, Palestinians can inform IDF about Hamas hiding points and let the war end once and for all. But they choose to be on the wrong side.

 

That happened in 1948 - the first day Israel was deemed a nation in the first place. Palestinians ofc had begun the war much before with terror attacks. 

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13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Palestinians had been given much more bigger land, but since the day of Israel formation they're attacking on Jews and in return losing territory one after the other.
1967 war, where the entire muslim nations combined and attacked Israel was an even bigger farce. Israel beated them with help of US and acquired more land.

As I said earlier, the onus of this war lies entirely on Hamas, Palestinians had they wanted peace should have resisted vs Hamas. Last 20-30 years there was mostly peace in the region barring few rockets firing here and there.
Even now, Palestinians can inform IDF about Hamas hiding points and let the war end once and for all. But they choose to be on the wrong side.

 

Appears as if you are unaware of Al-Nakba, and guided by Israeli PoV probably based on believing that Jews are fighting Muslims much like Hindus are. Jews are not Hindus. Neither is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a proxy for India-Pakistan issues.

Below is a video I posted earlier: 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

You want Israel to occupy the whole Gaza? Now there are statements from Israeli ministers to invade West Bank.

 

How was the land division good for Palestine? Israel took the majority of it during partition.

 

You have already conceded by your statements that "Israelis are white people".

 

i will give you a example.

 

Romani people migrated from India to Eastern Europe 1500 years ago. Now thier DNA has like 2 to 20 percent South Asian component.

 

Hitler targeted Romani people and jews in his holocaust. Lot more Romani people died. They are discriminated everywhere.

 

Now lets say after the holocaust, Romanis want come back to Rajasthan and create a Romani Country with the help of British and Americans. India and its neighbouring countries never agree to it and do not recognise Romani Country.

 

Who are you siding with? Romanis or Indians?

 

Crazy part is majority of israelis dont have 2 percent Middle Eastern DNA. Bunch of whites cosplaying jewish religion to steal middle eastern land.

 

What I'm saying that whatever happens in Israel and Gaza...it's Israel's internal matter. It has been blown out of proportion by external parties. 
MBS clearly stated the same and choose to stay away, there must be some rationale behind it. Jordon too which has a Palestinian Queen has chosen to stay quite about it, coz they know, the more external involvement happens, more the situation go out of control as third parties don't understand the nuances.

Yeah, I knew you will use the same when I said that majority of Israeli's are now born and brought up in Israel. They're no more white.
It's the same example where Sunita Williams and Vivek Ramaswamy are Americans, no matter how much we try to call them as Indians. Same goes for Pat Cummins who is now an Australian, even though his ancestory might be European. 

Unlike most Romani's, who have lost the connection to India...majority of Jews even during the holocaust period had affinity towards Jerusalem and their homeland. That's why they choose this region as their homeland (plus the other geo-political variables). Had Romani's were forced upon us in 1947 by British and Americans, I dont think we could have resisted. Now it's not possible coz we are severely overpopulated and are unable to even fightback for Hindus of Bangladesh and Pakistan.

One funny fact about Palestinians, sometimes in 1960's-70's majority of them took refuge in Jordan during 67 war. They caused so much mayhem that King of Jordan has to call Pakistani Army general Mr. Zia-Ul-Haq to send the army and wipe down the Palestinians from the land of Jordan. Same Pakistan which now sheds crocodile tears for the Palestinians, actually caused their massare. Read about Black September and you will know about it. That shows how hollow these claims for supporting Palestinians are.

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9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

What I'm saying that whatever happens in Israel and Gaza...it's Israel's internal matter. It has been blown out of proportion by external parties. 
MBS clearly stated the same and choose to stay away, there must be some rationale behind it. Jordon too which has a Palestinian Queen has chosen to stay quite about it, coz they know, the more external involvement happens, more the situation go out of control as third parties don't understand the nuances

 

It has been acknowledged that there are extremist elements on both sides - Israel and Palestine. 

 

Arab countries have taken Palestinian refugees since 1940s and even fought for them. 
 

Recently, MBS has asked for a ceasefire and grilled Israel: 

 

 

The issue is occupation of Palestine. And giving Palestinians their state while stopping Israel from genocide and conducting illegal settlements. 
 

You do not probably understand the scale of violence in Gaza.