Israeli settlers in Occupied Palestine

[zen]

13 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Palestinians had been given much more bigger land, but since the day of Israel formation they're attacking on Jews and in return losing territory one after the other.
1967 war, where the entire muslim nations combined and attacked Israel was an even bigger farce. Israel beated them with help of US and acquired more land.

As I said earlier, the onus of this war lies entirely on Hamas, Palestinians had they wanted peace should have resisted vs Hamas. Last 20-30 years there was mostly peace in the region barring few rockets firing here and there.
Even now, Palestinians can inform IDF about Hamas hiding points and let the war end once and for all. But they choose to be on the wrong side.

 

Appears as if you are unaware of Al-Nakba, and guided by Israeli PoV probably based on believing that Jews are fighting Muslims much like Hindus are. Jews are not Hindus. Neither is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a proxy for India-Pakistan issues.

Below is a video I posted earlier: 

 

 

 

[Vicks57]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Palestinians had been given much more bigger land, but since the day of Israel formation they're attacking on Jews and in return losing territory one after the other.
1967 war, where the entire muslim nations combined and attacked Israel was an even bigger farce. Israel beated them with help of US and acquired more land.

As I said earlier, the onus of this war lies entirely on Hamas, Palestinians had they wanted peace should have resisted vs Hamas. Last 20-30 years there was mostly peace in the region barring few rockets firing here and there.
Even now, Palestinians can inform IDF about Hamas hiding points and let the war end once and for all. But they choose to be on the wrong side.

 

 

You want Israel to occupy the whole Gaza? Now there are statements from Israeli ministers to invade West Bank.

 

How was the land division good for Palestine? Israel took the majority of it during partition.

 

You have already conceded by your statements that "Israelis are white people".

 

i will give you a example.

 

Romani people migrated from India to Eastern Europe 1500 years ago. Now thier DNA has like 2 to 20 percent South Asian component.

 

Hitler targeted Romani people and jews in his holocaust. Lot more Romani people died. They are discriminated everywhere.

 

Now lets say after the holocaust, Romanis want come back to Rajasthan and create a Romani Country with the help of British and Americans. India and its neighbouring countries never agree to it and do not recognise Romani Country.

 

Who are you siding with? Romanis or Indians?

 

Crazy part is majority of israelis dont have 2 percent Middle Eastern DNA. Bunch of whites cosplaying jewish religion to steal middle eastern land.

 

[singhvivek141]

11 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

You want Israel to occupy the whole Gaza? Now there are statements from Israeli ministers to invade West Bank.

 

How was the land division good for Palestine? Israel took the majority of it during partition.

 

You have already conceded by your statements that "Israelis are white people".

 

i will give you a example.

 

Romani people migrated from India to Eastern Europe 1500 years ago. Now thier DNA has like 2 to 20 percent South Asian component.

 

Hitler targeted Romani people and jews in his holocaust. Lot more Romani people died. They are discriminated everywhere.

 

Now lets say after the holocaust, Romanis want come back to Rajasthan and create a Romani Country with the help of British and Americans. India and its neighbouring countries never agree to it and do not recognise Romani Country.

 

Who are you siding with? Romanis or Indians?

 

Crazy part is majority of israelis dont have 2 percent Middle Eastern DNA. Bunch of whites cosplaying jewish religion to steal middle eastern land.

 

What I'm saying that whatever happens in Israel and Gaza...it's Israel's internal matter. It has been blown out of proportion by external parties. 
MBS clearly stated the same and choose to stay away, there must be some rationale behind it. Jordon too which has a Palestinian Queen has chosen to stay quite about it, coz they know, the more external involvement happens, more the situation go out of control as third parties don't understand the nuances.

Yeah, I knew you will use the same when I said that majority of Israeli's are now born and brought up in Israel. They're no more white.
It's the same example where Sunita Williams and Vivek Ramaswamy are Americans, no matter how much we try to call them as Indians. Same goes for Pat Cummins who is now an Australian, even though his ancestory might be European. 

Unlike most Romani's, who have lost the connection to India...majority of Jews even during the holocaust period had affinity towards Jerusalem and their homeland. That's why they choose this region as their homeland (plus the other geo-political variables). Had Romani's were forced upon us in 1947 by British and Americans, I dont think we could have resisted. Now it's not possible coz we are severely overpopulated and are unable to even fightback for Hindus of Bangladesh and Pakistan.

One funny fact about Palestinians, sometimes in 1960's-70's majority of them took refuge in Jordan during 67 war. They caused so much mayhem that King of Jordan has to call Pakistani Army general Mr. Zia-Ul-Haq to send the army and wipe down the Palestinians from the land of Jordan. Same Pakistan which now sheds crocodile tears for the Palestinians, actually caused their massare. Read about Black September and you will know about it. That shows how hollow these claims for supporting Palestinians are.

[Vicks57]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

What I'm saying that whatever happens in Israel and Gaza...it's Israel's internal matter. It has been blown out of proportion by external parties. 
MBS clearly stated the same and choose to stay away, there must be some rationale behind it. Jordon too which has a Palestinian Queen has chosen to stay quite about it, coz they know, the more external involvement happens, more the situation go out of control as third parties don't understand the nuances.

Yeah, I knew you will use the same when I said that majority of Israeli's are now born and brought up in Israel. They're no more white.
It's the same example where Sunita Williams and Vivek Ramaswamy are Americans, no matter how much we try to call them as Indians. Same goes for Pat Cummins who is now an Australian, even though his ancestory might be European. 

Unlike most Romani's, who have lost the connection to India...majority of Jews even during the holocaust period had affinity towards Jerusalem and their homeland. That's why they choose this region as their homeland (plus the other geo-political variables). Had Romani's were forced upon us in 1947 by British and Americans, I dont think we could have resisted. Now it's not possible coz we are severely overpopulated and are unable to even fightback for Hindus of Bangladesh and Pakistan.

One funny fact about Palestinians, sometimes in 1960's-70's majority of them took refuge in Jordan during 67 war. They caused so much mayhem that King of Jordan has to call Pakistani Army general Mr. Zia-Ul-Haq to send the army and wipe down the Palestinians from the land of Jordan. Same Pakistan which now sheds crocodile tears for the Palestinians, actually caused their massare. Read about Black September and you will know about it. That shows how hollow these claims for supporting Palestinians are.

 

 I am tired about RW Indians defending Israel and its actions. No wonder we are the butt of jokes on social media.

 

 

[zen]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

What I'm saying that whatever happens in Israel and Gaza...it's Israel's internal matter. It has been blown out of proportion by external parties. 
MBS clearly stated the same and choose to stay away, there must be some rationale behind it. Jordon too which has a Palestinian Queen has chosen to stay quite about it, coz they know, the more external involvement happens, more the situation go out of control as third parties don't understand the nuances

 

It has been acknowledged that there are extremist elements on both sides - Israel and Palestine. 

 

Arab countries have taken Palestinian refugees since 1940s and even fought for them. 
 

Recently, MBS has asked for a ceasefire and grilled Israel: 

 

 

The issue is occupation of Palestine. And giving Palestinians their state while stopping Israel from genocide and conducting illegal settlements. 
 

You do not probably understand the scale of violence in Gaza. 

[singhvivek141]

57 minutes ago, zen said:

Appears as if you are unaware of Al-Nakba, and guided by Israeli PoV probably based on believing that Jews are fighting Muslims much like Hindus are. Jews are not Hindus. Neither is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a proxy for India-Pakistan issues.

Below is a video I posted earlier: 

 

 

 

Didnt knew about Nakba, will watch it in free time.
For me, personally, it's not about Jews vs Muslims vs Hindus. It's purely from the point of geopolitical sense.
US has been against India historically, yet we have good relations with Israel. Israel helped us in Kargil war even though US was supporting Pakistan.

We don't need to pick and choose a side here based on religion, it's simply what's best for us. Adani has significant investments in Haifa Port and that's an important asset for Indian govt...while Hezbollah has been specifically targetting Haifa port disrupting it's operations.

If tomorrow Iran and Pakistan go to war, which side we will support ? It will be Iran coz it's our partner for the gas pipeline program. There won't be any Hindu vs Muslim angle there.

[singhvivek141]

20 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

 I am tired about RW Indians defending Israel and its actions. No wonder we are the butt of jokes on social media.

 

I'm not much active on SM, but one can always find a way to give back.
Israel is our strategic ally and we have assets in Haifa Port. Every nation tries to protect it's assets in the foreign country.
Anyway, in this case, Hamas was the aggressor and Palestinians supported it. Israel has every right to defend itself, doesn't matter what LW, RW or CW Indians talk on X or Reddit.

Rest is Israel's internal matter, let Palestinians find a way to de-escalate the war situation. 

Edited November 13, 2024 by singhvivek141

[Vicks57]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

I'm not much active on SM, but one can always find a way to give back.
Israel is our strategic ally and we have assets in Haifa Port. Every nation tries to protect it's assets in the foreign country.
Anyway, in this case, Hamas was the aggressor and Palestinians supported it. Israel has every right to defend itself, doesn't matter what LW, RW or CW Indians talk on X or Reddit.

 

IDF has been killing Palestinians since 1948. Israelis are supportive of IDF.

 

IDF is the government military and Hamas is a militant organisation.

 

Palestine has no army.

 

By that logic, what should Palestine do?

 

"Palestinians supported it" 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, Vicks57 said:

 

IDF has been killing Palestinians since 1948. Israelis are supportive of IDF.

 

IDF is the government military and Hamas is a militant organisation.

 

Palestine has no army.

 

By that logic, what should Palestine do?

 

"Palestinians supported it" 

 

Historically
Should have stopped being an spy for Hamas, which led to Oct 7 attack and breach of trust.

Now, 
Give the details of all Hamas fighters to IDF. Gaza isn't too big of a land, the fighters are hiding within the common people. It's not like IDF bombed the areas without giving any warning. Wars shouldn't be fought on the civilian grounds and Hamas knew it will bring civilian causalty.

[Vicks57]

Just now, singhvivek141 said:

Historically
Should have stopped being an spy for Hamas, which led to Oct 7 attack and breach of trust.

Now, 
Give the details of all Hamas fighters to IDF. Gaza isn't too big of a land, the fighters are hiding within the common people. It's not like IDF bombed the areas without giving any warning. Wars shouldn't be fought on the civilian grounds and Hamas knew it will bring civilian causalty.

 

Israel created Hamas to malign PLO. Yassir Arafat was very popular.

 

How the hell normal Palestinian citizens know these Hamas locations?

 

If they do that, they will be killed by Hamas.

 

Palestinians are stuck between Hamas and Israel.

 

[zen]

20 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Didnt knew about Nakba, will watch it in free time.
For me, personally, it's not about Jews vs Muslims vs Hindus. It's purely from the point of geopolitical sense.
US has been against India historically, yet we have good relations with Israel. Israel helped us in Kargil war even though US was supporting Pakistan.

We don't need to pick and choose a side here based on religion, it's simply what's best for us. Adani has significant investments in Haifa Port and that's an important asset for Indian govt...while Hezbollah has been specifically targetting Haifa port disrupting it's operations.

If tomorrow Iran and Pakistan go to war, which side we will support ? It will be Iran coz it's our partner for the gas pipeline program. There won't be any Hindu vs Muslim angle there.

 

Need to delink India. India is not a key player in geopolitics. It even fails to strongly put its hand up for minorities in neighbouring Islamic countries. India chest-thumps on an issue (for its internal audiences) and when the need arises tucks its tail to become “non aligned”. 

 

The current action in Gaza has created a massive humanitarian crisis. Israel is allowing illegal settlements in the West Bank as well, breaking international laws. 
 

To see an example of the Palestinian spirit (not extremism) despite Israeli brutality, here is a short video that I posted earlier (they love their homeland and are willing to die than let Israelis steal it away): 

 

 

Israeli extremists should not be allowed  to bury Palestinian voice. 

Edited November 13, 2024 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

 I am tired about RW Indians defending Israel and its actions. No wonder we are the butt of jokes on social media.

 

 

 

 

It is not about right or left.  It is about right or wrong. But there are some Indians have different stances.   One friend i know is one of the biggest modi fan and also the biggest Anti trumper , supported Kamala through and through.  

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Israel created Hamas to malign PLO. Yassir Arafat was very popular.

 

How the hell normal Palestinian citizens know these Hamas locations?

 

If they do that, they will be killed by Hamas.

 

Palestinians are stuck between Hamas and Israel.

 

That's where countries like Egypt or Jordan should come forward, instead of letting the civilians die give them refuge. Let gaza become a battle ground for Hamas vs IDF for a brief period with no civilians. 
Once we have a winner, civilians can be brought back and settled as per the arrangements with the victorious party. 

[singhvivek141]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Please delink India. India is not a key player in geopolitics. It even fails to strongly put its hand up for minorities in neighbouring Islamic countries. India cheat thumps on an issue (for its internal audiences) and when the need arises tucks its tail to become “non aligned”. 

 

The current action in Gaza has created a massive humanitarian crisis. Israel is allowing illegal settlements in the West Bank as well, breaking international laws. 
 

To see an example of the Palestinian spirit (not extremism) despite Israeli brutality, here is a short video that I posted earlier (they love their homeland and willing to die than let Israelis steal it away): 

 

 

Israeli extremists should not be allowed  to bury Palestinian voice. 

Key question is why don't other Arab nations are not asking Israel for a free passage of civilians till IDF wipes Hamas. Simply passing blank statements won't work, someone from OIC has to come forward and talk to Netanyahu for a solution.
Lebanoni civilians too faced the heat coz idiots of Hezbollah jumped into a war which wasn't theirs, OIC should question Iran as well and grab it by collar instead of just firing at one party. But they won't do coz Iran now has nuclear bomb and it can single handedly bash all the Arab countries to extinction.

[zen]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Key question is why don't other Arab nations are not asking Israel for a free passage of civilians till IDF wipes Hamas. Simply passing blank statements won't work, someone from OIC has to come forward and talk to Netanyahu for a solution.
Lebanoni civilians too faced the heat coz idiots of Hezbollah jumped into a war which wasn't theirs, OIC should question Iran as well and grab it by collar instead of just firing at one party. But they won't do coz Iran now has nuclear bomb and it can single handedly bash all the Arab countries to extinction.

Hamas exists because Israel occupies Palestine. Hamas operates in Gaza and the PLO in the West Bank. The issue is of freeing Occupied Palestine to create a Palestinian state. 
 

Israeli extremists, backed by the US funding (which is diverted back to the US arms manufacturing companies) have worked to silence the Palestinian voice.
 

In the current situation, Netanyahu (an extremist) govt has allowed an increase in illegal settlements in the West Bank (backed up money from Jewish groups) terrorizing the Palestinians. Gaza, more or less a refugee colony, is laid seize with no real economy and dependence on Israel for necessary items including electricity, medicine, etc. The next plan for the Israeli settlers is to resettle Gaza. 
 

Israel has conspired to keep Palestinians relatively backward. Please look at the video by Norway that I posted on the current atrocities in Gaza.
 

Hamas has done a suicide mission where its goal appears to be to expose Israeli extremism (Netanyahu’s govt), which is not open to talks and believes in quietly silencing Palestinians. And through Israeli extremism, the world opinion has changed against (and appears to be changing where it hasn‘t changed so far) Israel.

 

It can even be said that Israel has been able to survive in the ME because Palestinians live among them. 
 

Below is Netanyahu trying to lecture Obama who attempted to broker a peace (Netanyahu got confidence because of the last Trump administration and attempts to silence the Palestinian voice increased. Now since Trump is back, the extreme violence in Occupied Palestine may continue with more intensity in 2025):

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by zen

[singhvivek141]

35 minutes ago, zen said:

Hamas exists because Israel occupies Palestine. Hamas operates in Gaza and PLO in the West Bank. The issue is of freeing Occupied Palestine to create a Palestinian state. 
 

Israeli extremists, backed by the US funding (which is diverted back to the US arms manufacturing companies) have worked to silence the Palestinian voice.
 

In the current situation, Netanyahu (an extremist) govt has allowed to increase illegal settlements in the West Bank terrorizing the Palestinians. Gaza, more or less a refugee colony, is laid seize with no real economy and dependence on Israel for necessary items including electricity, medicine, etc. Next plan for the Israeli settlers is to resettle Gaza. 
 

Israel has conspired to keep Palestinians relatively backward. Please look at the video by Norway that I posted. 
 

Hamas has done a suicide mission where its goal appears to be to expose Israeli extremism (Netanyahu’s govt), which is not open to talks and believes in quietly silencing Palestinians. And through Israeli extremism, the world opinion has changed on (and appears to be changing where it has changed so far) Israel. It can even be said that Israel has been able to survive in the ME because Palestinians live among them. 
 

Below is Netanyahu trying to lecture Obama who attempted to broker a peace (Netanyahu got confidence because of Trump and attempts to silence Palestinian voice increased. Now since Trump is back, the extreme violence in Occupied Palestine may continue with more intensity in 2025):

 

 

 

 

It's seems that you have already tagged Netanyahu and Israeli govt to extremism. Hence any further attempt to explain won't work now from my end 

 

Anyway, I am repeating the point that what Israel does with it's people is its internal matter. It may seem similar to what Yunus is doing in Bangladesh but it isn't in reality.

 

Let me re-iterate brief points what has happened so far in this war (which happened after decades of peace).

 

1. Hamas attacked on Israel in Oct 7, 2023...with pinpoint accuracy. Palestinians who were working in Israel provided the intel. Killing thousands of people and holding hundreds in Hostage

 

2. Israel identified Hamas militant centers, which are carefully planted under hospitals and schools

 

3. Israel issues warnings to civilians to vacate the area, before bombing and gave them ample time. Not all Civilians obeyed.

 

4. Israel starts bombing on the targets, some Civilians died and Hamas started propaganda.

 

5. Israel slowly starts ground operations in Gaza, here Hezbollah joins the party and started rocketing North Israel (particularly Haifa & Tel Aviv).

 

6. Israel starts fighting at two fronts with both Hamas & Hezbollah..parallely at third front Houthis are targeting ships at Red Sea

 

7. Mossad & IDF wipes the leadership of both organizations...it also eliminates one leader hiding in Iran.

 

8. Iran, starts rocketing in Tel Aviv...Israel responds with air force operations in Iranian aerospace.

 

In each of the scenario...Israel wasn't the first to attack. It simple retaliated, although disproportionate but justified.

Yet, people call Israeli govt as extremist but not the other side. 

[zen]

56 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's seems that you have already tagged Netanyahu and Israeli govt to extremism. Hence any further attempt to explain won't work now from my end 

 

Anyway, I am repeating the point that what Israel does with it's people is its internal matter. It may seem similar to what Yunus is doing in Bangladesh but it isn't in reality.

 

Let me re-iterate brief points what has happened so far in this war (which happened after decades of peace).

 

1. Hamas attacked on Israel in Oct 7, 2023...with pinpoint accuracy. Palestinians who were working in Israel provided the intel. Killing thousands of people and holding hundreds in Hostage

 

2. Israel identified Hamas militant centers, which are carefully planted under hospitals and schools

 

3. Israel issues warnings to civilians to vacate the area, before bombing and gave them ample time. Not all Civilians obeyed.

 

4. Israel starts bombing on the targets, some Civilians died and Hamas started propaganda.

 

5. Israel slowly starts ground operations in Gaza, here Hezbollah joins the party and started rocketing North Israel (particularly Haifa & Tel Aviv).

 

6. Israel starts fighting at two fronts with both Hamas & Hezbollah..parallely at third front Houthis are targeting ships at Red Sea

 

7. Mossad & IDF wipes the leadership of both organizations...it also eliminates one leader hiding in Iran.

 

8. Iran, starts rocketing in Tel Aviv...Israel responds with air force operations in Iranian aerospace.

 

In each of the scenario...Israel wasn't the first to attack. It simple retaliated, although disproportionate but justified.

Yet, people call Israeli govt as extremist but not the other side. 

The discussion is on what Israel is doing in “Occupied Palestine” so it is not an internal issues as “claimed” by you (probably connecting it with issues in India where people make blanket statements such as it is India’s internal issue).

 

What is also fueling violence is Israeli actions (since 1940s if you know about events such as Al Nakba) in a) occupying Palestinian areas illegally by promoting Jewish settlements, b) reducing Gaza to more or less a refugee colony, along with attempting to keep Palestinians relatively backward, and c) not adhering to the two state solution.

 

The world over Nethanyahu is seen as an extremist. Israeli relatively peace focused PM Rabin was assassinated in part due to hate speeches by Nethanyahu. Countries have filed genocide case in Gaza against Israel (Netanyahu could also be tried for genocide/war crimes in future). There is an international demand to stop settlements in the West Bank. 
 

Israel which was formed due to international intervention, now continues to ignore international laws.
 

Hamas is extremist too. One cannot conjure up an argument to suggest that Hamas leave while extremists in Israel remain. They are the two sides of the same coin. 

PS Labor chief Michaeli: Rabin was assassinated with Netanyahu’s cooperation

 

Edited November 13, 2024 by zen

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Didnt knew about Nakba, will watch it in free time.
For me, personally, it's not about Jews vs Muslims vs Hindus. 

There are many versions of Al-Nakba , be wary of the Arab versions  that depicts the events with a green hue that exaggerate the Arabs saga.

 - There is no Palestine country or land or an identity. It is a made up one. They are all Arabs. There was no country called Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen , or even Saudi Arabia  or Lebanon before WW1. 

 

- The whole area was under direct or quasi-direct rule of Ottomons till the end of WW1 and Arabs were determined to get independence from the Turks. 

 

- British wanted to get Russia with allied forces  and the Bolsheviks had many Jewish/zionist members in the leadership . To get their support, they promised the Zionist conference, a promised land in the area known as Palestine. They also promised independence to Arabs from Turks. Brits played a double game. Jerusalem was a holy city, but rest of Palestine was hardly developed and was a desert and Arabs lived there sporadically. 
 

- 1917-1927 saw a lot a Jews settling in the British mandate (Palestine + Jordon) . Syria and Lebanon were the French mandate areas.

 

- Jews were buying land from Arabs while settling in. They tilled the land which was a desert and made it green. They even gave jobs to poorer Arabs which incensed the feudal lords.

 

- Arabs opposed Jews settlement all along. Jewish immigration stopped during Holocaust as Arabs feared a Jewish state amongst them.

 

- There were a lot of killings of Jews in the beginning and push back from Arabs. Jews were ghettoized in remote area villages where they flourished.

 

- After Ww2 when it was becoming clear that British would leave ,leave and Jews armed themselves with extremistsfor survival.

 

- before 1940 itself, the British mandate was partitioned into Jordan (77%) and 23% to Jews and Arabs (Palestine)

 

- All Jews from rest of Arab land where Jews lived for 100s of years, were ethically cleansed and they all were absorbed by Jewish settlements. That is perfectly fine for these human rights champions of the world

 

- British left in 1947 , civil war broke, Arabs killed Jews and Jews hit back and this what they call as Al-Naqba when Jewish extremists massacred Arab villages. All other Arab countries joined in, after the cease-fire, Israel  had its settlements, West Bank was ruled by Jordan was part of it. Gaza was part of Egypt. This was in 1948. Jerusalem was divided and old city (east) was in Jordan control. 
 

There was no Palestine in 1948-67. West Bank people were Jordanians. 
 

West Bank and Gaza was only after 1967. When aggressors attack and lose, they lose the land and won’t get it back. If Israelis settle there, as it is their land and not occupied land as per them!!
 

See Part 1 and Part 2 of this series to know more about the 1948 war.

 

 

 

[zen]

Good to see that protests against Israel took place in Rome as well:
 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

32 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

There are many versions of Al-Nakba , be wary of the Arab versions  that depicts the events with a green hue that exaggerate the Arabs saga.

 - There is no Palestine country or land or an identity. It is a made up one. They are all Arabs. There was no country called Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen , or even Saudi Arabia  or Lebanon before WW1. 

 

- The whole area was under direct or quasi-direct rule of Ottomons till the end of WW1 and Arabs were determined to get independence from the Turks. 

 

- British wanted to get Russia with allied forces  and the Bolsheviks had many Jewish/zionist members in the leadership . To get their support, they promised the Zionist conference, a promised land in the area known as Palestine. They also promised independence to Arabs from Turks. Brits played a double game. Jerusalem was a holy city, but rest of Palestine was hardly developed and was a desert and Arabs lived there sporadically. 
 

- 1917-1927 saw a lot a Jews settling in the British mandate (Palestine + Jordon) . Syria and Lebanon were the French mandate areas.

 

- Jews were buying land from Arabs while settling in. They tilled the land which was a desert and made it green. They even gave jobs to poorer Arabs which incensed the feudal lords.

 

- Arabs opposed Jews settlement all along. Jewish immigration stopped during Holocaust as Arabs feared a Jewish state amongst them.

 

- There were a lot of killings of Jews in the beginning and push back from Arabs. Jews were ghettoized in remote area villages where they flourished.

 

- After Ww2 when it was becoming clear that British would leave ,leave and Jews armed themselves with extremistsfor survival.

 

- before 1940 itself, the British mandate was partitioned into Jordan (77%) and 23% to Jews and Arabs (Palestine)

 

- All Jews from rest of Arab land where Jews lived for 100s of years, were ethically cleansed and they all were absorbed by Jewish settlements. That is perfectly fine for these human rights champions of the world

 

- British left in 1947 , civil war broke, Arabs killed Jews and Jews hit back and this what they call as Al-Naqba when Jewish extremists massacred Arab villages. All other Arab countries joined in, after the cease-fire, Israel  had its settlements, West Bank was ruled by Jordan was part of it. Gaza was part of Egypt. This was in 1948. Jerusalem was divided and old city (east) was in Jordan control. 
 

There was no Palestine in 1948-67. West Bank people were Jordanians. 
 

West Bank and Gaza was only after 1967. When aggressors attack and lose, they lose the land and won’t get it back. If Israelis settle there, as it is their land and not occupied land as per them!!
 

See Part 1 and Part 2 of this series to know more about the 1948 war.

 

 

 

Thanks,
As I said earlier, picture isn't as clear and straight forward as many are claiming to be. There is lot of history behind it and it's almost impossible to judge it unless we know the sequence step by step.
That's why, I am keeping my discussions only to the current war and it's origin, and in every case, the blame lies on Hamas and only Hamas. They broke the peace in the region (under influence of a third party) and in turn threw thousands of Palestinian men, women and children on the verge of death.

So called human right chipmunks should actually twist Qatar and other Arab nations to handover Hamas/Hezbollah leaders and fighters to handover them to IDF and stop this war immediately. But we know that won't happen due to unmentionable reasons.

Real picture is no one wants Palestinians, they're a nuisance and hence every Arab country rejects them. Hence thats why Egypt didn't open the Rafah border to absorb them. Last time when Jordan adopted them, they caused so much chaos that Zia Ul Haq had to be called and Black September happened. Not sure why everyone expects Israel to carry their burden.