Israeli settlers in Occupied Palestine

[zen]

Many Jews argue that it is their original land given to them by their God (a position along those lines). They were forced to move out “centuries” ago. 
 

But if their God wanted Jews to have the land, why would he make them move out.

 

Look at Palestinians here. Despite atrocities, oppression, and brutal violence, they don’t move out to maintain “their” presence. 
 

I won’t be surprised if there is more to the story here including potentially a nuclear weapon fired by either side. Someone like Pak just has to provide a nuke to Hamas, who would justify its use based on the slaughter of its people much like how Israel weaponized Oct 7th to target Gaza (targeting Gaza is a predetermined plan of the extremist govt, Oct 7 gave them a reason to act soon).

 

I hope that better sense prevails. We get the two-state solution. 

[mishra]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

 

But if their God wanted Jews to have the land, why would he make them move out.

 

 

God is on side of people with bigger/better/Technically advanced weapons.  Jews thought prosperity to them was given by God.

 

But now they are very clear, That they must also take military might which god is giving them. A very basic most Indians dont get when they vote for Congress and left which gives you A K Antony as defence Minister.

 

You can not secure prosperity without military because Someone will allways F u.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2024 by mishra

[Stan AF]

6 hours ago, Sandz said:

Just read that Palestine had a higher HDI than India in 2022. That’s a real wtf stat.

 

Even Iraq has a better HDI ranking 

What did you expect with a 140 cr+++ population!!

[zen]

Talking about the creation of the Jewish nation. Three countries were shortlisted (from the top of the mind recall): 

 

* Argentina

* Palestine

* Uganda 

 

Then Palestine was chosen (likely influenced by the British presence post WWI rather than the said original connection). The implementation began with powerful Jewish banking families like Rothschild providing the finance to set up “collective farms” (The British East India company tactic?). 

 

PS the above is from memory so if anyone has details let me know (I will also look into it later to refresh my memory).
 

Edited November 14, 2024 by zen

[zen]

 

[zen]

Because of extremism, the days where Israel acted with impunity are over. More and more people are focusing on its extremists:

 

 

 

[zen]

33 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

You just said "let Palestinians kids die early. They were going to be suicide bombers anyway"

 

Please stop talking about EQ.

Many do not understand the issue (or may hold a simplistic view such as Muslims = bad, non Muslims = good, where almost any action against Muslims is justified). They thinks Gaza is being bombarded because of 6 hostages when Israel is said to have over 10,000 Palestinians (most considered innocent) in its prison (no equivalence).
 

They do not probably know about (or ignore) the extremists’ idea of a Greater Israel, phase 1 of it appears to be occupy the West Bank with illegal settlements, phase 2 is what we are seeing in Gaza with eventual plans to resettle it, and phase 3 will likely involve targeting areas in Jordan and Lebanon. 

Earlier, Israel got away as lots of events were happening in the ME and neighbouring region - the Iranian Revolution, the Gulf War, AQ, ISIS, etc. Now people appear to be evaluating an issue based on its merit rather than through a blanket understanding of the region or stereotypes.

 

Thankfully, many in the world are vigilant. Countries such as South Africa have filed a genocide case against Israel.  

Edited November 14, 2024 by zen

[zen]

When it comes to India, many comically assume parallels b/w Israel and India where:

 

Zionists = Hindus 

Palestinians = Muslims 

Lebanon, Jordan, etc. = Pakistan, BD, etc. 

Greater Israel = Akhand Bharat  

 

This is where the support for extremism in Israel comes in because since nothing happens in India, the events in Israel are probably seen as a visualization of these folks’ what if …” world.

 

In the real world, there are no strong parallels. 
 

Edited November 14, 2024 by zen

[bharathh]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

You just said "let Palestinians kids die early. They were going to be suicide bombers anyway"

 

Please stop talking about EQ.

I talk about what I want. You are not obligated to read my posts. 

[diga]

1 hour ago, zen said:

When it comes to India, many comically assume parallels b/w Israel and India where:

 

Jews = Hindus 

Palestinians = Muslims 

Lebanon, Jordan, etc. = Pakistan, BD, etc. 

Greater Israel = Akhand Bharat  

 

This is where the support for extremism in Israel comes in because since nothing happens in India, the events in Israel are probably seen as a visualization of these folks’ what if …” world.

 

In the real world, there are no strong parallels. 

False equivalence... We are concerned about the changes they bring to the ecosystem and hence the wariness.

[zen]

Just now, diga said:

False equivalence... We are concerned about the changes they bring to the ecosystem and hence the wariness.

Sorry, who is “we” here?

[Ranvir]

11 hours ago, Sandz said:

Just read that Palestine had a higher HDI than India in 2022. That’s a real wtf stat.

 

Even Iraq has a better HDI ranking 

India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. 

 

But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! 

[mishra]

18 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. 

 

But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! 

Typical Punjabi immigrant mentality.

still living and seeing India through eyes of 20th Century and will pounce on anything to berate INDIA.

 

To me, a country is never about per capita earning or some western rating agency. HDI of Gaza better than India, Right ? So what is average life expectancy in Gaza? What is average education in Gaza? Are women driving motorbikes and cars in Gaza? Forget that are women working in economy or actually a baby making factory ( Check fertility rate and u realise which country stands where).

 

A uS citizen will struggle to make ends meet if he is earning $50k while you can live a decent life earning $5k in India. You can earn 50k in Gaza/Iaq  and still struggle to get safety, security medical and so on. 1.4 billion indians together have massive heft. Comparable or more than western countries like Canada

 

 

[zen]

“Israel would be happy to see Hamas in Gaza as it can treat Gaza like a hostile country”:

 

How Natanyahu sabotaged peace - “At the moment, I am stopping the Oslo Accord; Hit Palestinians hard, make life unbearable for them, a complete assault”.  Any time there is an initiative for peace, this character shows up. His equivalent is probably Hamas on the other side. 

He secretly backed Hamas so that it would prevent Palestinians from being united and keep the peace process away. 
 

Now of course he has weaponized Oct to conduct genocide in Gaza.

To understand the conflict in the modern times, it is imp to understand Netanyahu who sounds like the 21st century Hitler. 

[zen]

Some Israeli reservists refused orders to burn down houses and have requested to not be stationed again in Gaza:

 

 

Good to see such conscience! But there would be very few people like them.

Edited November 14, 2024 by zen

[bharathh]

2 hours ago, Ranvir said:

India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. 

 

But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! 

 

Yup. Pls don't ever come here or talk about us.

[zen]

More on the atrocities of the “settlers” in the occupied West Bank. They have killed 700 Palestinians in the last year:

 

 

[zen]

13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Are you a Mossad agent working for Israel?

 

Mossad will probably lock him up with the Palestinians.

[BacktoCricaddict]

While we rightfully call IDF out for the disproportionate response in Gaza, we must also keep calling out Hamas for using the civilian population of Gaza as shields. Digging tunnels under hospitals, hiding in civilians' homes etc. is - to put it mildly - callous. How could Sinwar be walking around in the rubble of where he was living, seeing all the suffering around him and for a moment not pause and think - "ya know, if I released the hostages and negotiated in good faith, may be the world will be on my side and my people won't suffer." He obviously didn't care about his own people.

 

This is what happens when hatred for something >>>>>>>> love for people.

[zen]

12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

While we rightfully call IDF out for the disproportionate response in Gaza, we must also keep calling out Hamas for using the civilian population of Gaza as shields. Digging tunnels under hospitals, hiding in civilians' homes etc. is - to put it mildly - callous. How could Sinwar be walking around in the rubble of where he was living, seeing all the suffering around him and for a moment not pause and think - "ya know, if I released the hostages and negotiated in good faith, may be the world will be on my side and my people won't suffer." He obviously didn't care about his own people.

 

This is what happens when hatred for something >>>>>>>> love for people.

One needs to also look at the situation on the ground.
 

Not defending Hamas here (as they are extremists too) but how are they going to create their own places for “IDF”, “Mossad”, etc. in a city which is more or less a refugee colony and under siege (known as an open air prison)? And many times, it was secretly funded by Israel itself (to keep the Palestinians divided and sabotage the peace).