Israeli settlers in Occupied Palestine

[zen]

Just now, Vicks57 said:

 

Add this to your argument:

 

IDF is Israel govt's army and Hamas is a militant organisation.

 

There is a difference between a govt entity and a extremist militant organisation 

Yeah, Palestine is not allowed to have a “real” army, probably only security forces. 

In Gaza, Hamas’ military wing is considered a terrorist org. 

 

[zen]

Many Jews are beginning to distance themselves from Israel, which has resparked anti-semitism feelings.
 

A goodwill that Israel enjoyed is probably gone. Therefore, we need to separate regular Jews from Zionists.

 

Below Jews supporting Palestine:

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2024 by zen

[zen]

Judaism v Zionism:

 

 

 

[zen]

More on Jews against Zionists:

 

 

 

[Ranvir]

7 hours ago, mishra said:

Typical Punjabi immigrant mentality.

still living and seeing India through eyes of 20th Century and will pounce on anything to berate INDIA.

 

To me, a country is never about per capita earning or some western rating agency. HDI of Gaza better than India, Right ? So what is average life expectancy in Gaza? What is average education in Gaza? Are women driving motorbikes and cars in Gaza? Forget that are women working in economy or actually a baby making factory ( Check fertility rate and u realise which country stands where).

 

A uS citizen will struggle to make ends meet if he is earning $50k while you can live a decent life earning $5k in India. You can earn 50k in Gaza/Iaq  and still struggle to get safety, security medical and so on. 1.4 billion indians together have massive heft. Comparable or more than western countries like Canada

 

 

You can have a decent life on $5k in India because there are hundreds of millions of people who you can exploit by paying paltry wages, those people then end up living in appalling slum conditions. This reminds me of a new immigrant Marathi neighbour I had who was complaining about the cost of getting his car fixed here in England, telling me it just cost a few rupees in India. What he didn't realise is that you have to pay a mechanic a decent wage so that they too can have a good quality of life. 

 

Both Gaza and Iraq have significantly higher levels of literacy and life expectancy than India. They are cleaner and less chaotic, there's no animals running in the road interfering with traffic. Bangladesh has a comparable literacy level to India and a much better life expectancy. 

 

Yes HDI and IQ are western conspiracies. That's why Japan and South Korea rank so high. They give a good indication on development and if you look at the list it looks pretty accurate. There are some intelligent people in India but they are overshadowed by the huge uneducated masses which is why so many Indians move abroad. These uneducated people end up in politics being voted in by similar uneducated morons and thus the country never improves much. 

 

How about India having 83 of the 100 most polluted cities in the world, is that also a conspiracy? Also the most slaves in the world. 

 

Keep burying your head in the sand and denying it. It just means you'll never be able to fix it. 

 

The reason why Indians are successful abroad is because it's only the ones with a decent level of intelligence that move abroad, not being burdened by the hordes of NPCs. 

 

You're talking about fertility rates and then bring up 1.4 billion! How on earth did India add over a billion people to its population in less than 80 years. And having such a population is not a strength. The 350 million at independence was more than enough. 

Edited November 14, 2024 by Ranvir

[diga]

9 hours ago, zen said:

Sorry, who is “we” here?

All the non-muslims.. just check what Muslims have done in other parts of the world. Desert cult just doesnt have any tolerance for other religions. Unless they have structural reforms, they will continue to be isolated from the rest of the world. You can continue sermonizing & posting umpteen videos, but the truth is Israel is doing what it is, for its own survival. 

 

About the choice of palestine as homeland of jews, feel its a complex issue.

[diga]

4 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Are you a Mossad agent working for Israel?

 

 

Atleast not a Dhumeel

[Stan AF]

1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

You can have a decent life on $5k in India because there are hundreds of millions of people who you can exploit by paying paltry wages, those people then end up living in appalling slum conditions. This reminds me of a new immigrant Marathi neighbour I had who was complaining about the cost of getting his car fixed here in England, telling me it just cost a few rupees in India. What he didn't realise is that you have to pay a mechanic a decent wage so that they too can have a good quality of life. 

 

Both Gaza and Iraq have significantly higher levels of literacy and life expectancy than India. They are cleaner and less chaotic, there's no animals running in the road interfering with traffic. Bangladesh has a comparable literacy level to India and a much better life expectancy. 

 

Yes HDI and IQ are western conspiracies. That's why Japan and South Korea rank so high. They give a good indication on development and if you look at the list it looks pretty accurate. There are some intelligent people in India but they are overshadowed by the huge uneducated masses which is why so many Indians move abroad. These uneducated people end up in politics being voted in by similar uneducated morons and thus the country never improves much. 

 

How about India having 83 of the 100 most polluted cities in the world, is that also a conspiracy? Also the most slaves in the world. 

 

Keep burying your head in the sand and denying it. It just means you'll never be able to fix it. 

 

The reason why Indians are successful abroad is because it's only the ones with a decent level of intelligence that move abroad, not being burdened by the hordes of NPCs. 

 

You're talking about fertility rates and then bring up 1.4 billion! How on earth did India add over a billion people to its population in less than 80 years. And having such a population is not a strength. The 350 million at independence was more than enough. 

Best post I've read in this side of the forum.

 

The first census figure I remember hearing in the 90s was India's population is 85 crores. Now we have almost that number depending on ration. It has only gone progressively from bad to worst. Don't know how this will all end.

Edited November 15, 2024 by Stan AF

[bharathh]

6 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

I just called your bluff on EQ.

 

Whatever makes you happy 

[Ranvir]

30 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Best post I've read in this side of the forum.

 

The first census figure I remember hearing in the 90s was India's population is 85 crores. Now we have almost that number depending on ration. It has only gone progressively from bad to worst. Don't know how this will all end.

Well the fertility rate is now at slightly below replacement level but the damage is already done. There needs to be drastic reforms to the education system, teaching cleanliness, eradication of the caste system, removal of animals from roads. Strict fines are needed for breaking laws.

[diga]

53 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Well the fertility rate is now at slightly below replacement level but the damage is already done. There needs to be drastic reforms to the education system, teaching cleanliness, eradication of the caste system, removal of animals from roads. Strict fines are needed for breaking laws.

Enforcing laws and rules is only possiblle with better education and more investment in policing.

 

Hardly any govt wants to invest in them

[zen]

3 hours ago, diga said:

All the non-muslims.. just check what Muslims have done in other parts of the world. Desert cult just doesnt have any tolerance for other religions. Unless they have structural reforms, they will continue to be isolated from the rest of the world. You can continue sermonizing & posting umpteen videos, but the truth is Israel is doing what it is, for its own survival. 

 

About the choice of palestine as homeland of jews, feel its a complex issue.

You cannot claim to be representing “all non-Muslims”. That is hilarious!
 

I have written the below on this thread:

Many do not understand the issue (or may hold a simplistic view such as Muslims = bad, non Muslims = good, where almost any action against Muslims is justified). They thinks Gaza is being bombarded because of 6 hostages when Israel is said to have over 10,000 Palestinians (most considered innocent) in its prison (no equivalence).
 

They do not probably know about (or ignore) the extremists’ idea of a Greater Israel, phase 1 of it appears to be occupy the West Bank with illegal settlements, phase 2 is what we are seeing in Gaza with eventual plans to resettle it, and phase 3 will likely involve targeting areas in Jordan and Lebanon. 

Earlier, Israel got away as lots of events were happening in the ME and neighbouring region - the Iranian Revolution, the Gulf War, AQ, ISIS, etc. Now people appear to be evaluating an issue based on its merit rather than through a blanket understanding of the region or stereotypes.

 

Thankfully, many in the world are vigilant. Countries such as South Africa have filed a genocide case against Israel.  

 

[zen]

Human Rights Watch has filed a 150 page report of war crimes & ethnic cleansing against Israel: 

 

 

 

[diga]

37 minutes ago, zen said:

You cannot claim to be representing “all non-Muslims”. That is hilarious!
 

I have written the below on this thread:

Many do not understand the issue (or may hold a simplistic view such as Muslims = bad, non Muslims = good, where almost any action against Muslims is justified). They thinks Gaza is being bombarded because of 6 hostages when Israel is said to have over 10,000 Palestinians (most considered innocent) in its prison (no equivalence).
 

They do not probably know about (or ignore) the extremists’ idea of a Greater Israel, phase 1 of it appears to be occupy the West Bank with illegal settlements, phase 2 is what we are seeing in Gaza with eventual plans to resettle it, and phase 3 will likely involve targeting areas in Jordan and Lebanon. 

Earlier, Israel got away as lots of events were happening in the ME and neighbouring region - the Iranian Revolution, the Gulf War, AQ, ISIS, etc. Now people appear to be evaluating an issue based on its merit rather than through a blanket understanding of the region or stereotypes.

 

Thankfully, many in the world are vigilant. Countries such as South Africa have filed a genocide case against Israel.  

 

I dont.. But the islamophobia is not an isolated one. 90% of the world has problem with one religion

[zen]

3 minutes ago, diga said:

I dont.. But the islamophobia is not an isolated one. 90% of the world has problem with one religion

Ok (so “we” does not = all non Muslims).  
 

That is “your” data (probably based on exposure to a specific environment).
 

You probably need to refresh yourself on the issue.

[zen]

 

and in b/w all that a miracle baby:

 

 

[zen]

 

[zen]

UK raises concern in the UN about Israeli action in Gaza:

 

 

[zen]

More sad stories are coming out from Gaza:

 

 

[zen]

In response to extremist Netanyahu comment - “Israel Army is the most moral army” , Chris Sidoti, Member, UN Commission of Inquiry, remarks  “Israel Army is one of the most criminal armies in the world”:

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2024 by zen