diga Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 1 hour ago, zen said: When it comes to India, many comically assume parallels b/w Israel and India where: Jews = Hindus Palestinians = Muslims Lebanon, Jordan, etc. = Pakistan, BD, etc. Greater Israel = Akhand Bharat This is where the support for extremism in Israel comes in because since nothing happens in India, the events in Israel are probably seen as a visualization of these folks’ what if …” world. In the real world, there are no strong parallels. False equivalence... We are concerned about the changes they bring to the ecosystem and hence the wariness. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 Just now, diga said: False equivalence... We are concerned about the changes they bring to the ecosystem and hence the wariness. Sorry, who is “we” here? Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 11 hours ago, Sandz said: Just read that Palestine had a higher HDI than India in 2022. That’s a real wtf stat. Even Iraq has a better HDI ranking India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 18 minutes ago, Ranvir said: India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! Typical Punjabi immigrant mentality. still living and seeing India through eyes of 20th Century and will pounce on anything to berate INDIA. To me, a country is never about per capita earning or some western rating agency. HDI of Gaza better than India, Right ? So what is average life expectancy in Gaza? What is average education in Gaza? Are women driving motorbikes and cars in Gaza? Forget that are women working in economy or actually a baby making factory ( Check fertility rate and u realise which country stands where). A uS citizen will struggle to make ends meet if he is earning $50k while you can live a decent life earning $5k in India. You can earn 50k in Gaza/Iaq and still struggle to get safety, security medical and so on. 1.4 billion indians together have massive heft. Comparable or more than western countries like Canada coffee_rules and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 “Israel would be happy to see Hamas in Gaza as it can treat Gaza like a hostile country”: How Natanyahu sabotaged peace - “At the moment, I am stopping the Oslo Accord; Hit Palestinians hard, make life unbearable for them, a complete assault”. Any time there is an initiative for peace, this character shows up. His equivalent is probably Hamas on the other side. He secretly backed Hamas so that it would prevent Palestinians from being united and keep the peace process away. Now of course he has weaponized Oct to conduct genocide in Gaza. To understand the conflict in the modern times, it is imp to understand Netanyahu who sounds like the 21st century Hitler. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) Some Israeli reservists refused orders to burn down houses and have requested to not be stationed again in Gaza: Good to see such conscience! But there would be very few people like them. Edited November 14, 2024 by zen Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 2 hours ago, Ranvir said: India is a failed state no matter what Republic TV or WION tell you. Just one trip to Delhi will show you. But hey at least it's not as bad as Pakistan and Bangladesh! Yup. Pls don't ever come here or talk about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 More on the atrocities of the “settlers” in the occupied West Bank. They have killed 700 Palestinians in the last year: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 5 hours ago, bharathh said: I talk about what I want. You are not obligated to read my posts. I just called your bluff on EQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, diga said: False equivalence... We are concerned about the changes they bring to the ecosystem and hence the wariness. Are you a Mossad agent working for Israel? Edited November 14, 2024 by Vicks57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 13 minutes ago, Vicks57 said: Are you a Mossad agent working for Israel? Mossad will probably lock him up with the Palestinians. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 While we rightfully call IDF out for the disproportionate response in Gaza, we must also keep calling out Hamas for using the civilian population of Gaza as shields. Digging tunnels under hospitals, hiding in civilians' homes etc. is - to put it mildly - callous. How could Sinwar be walking around in the rubble of where he was living, seeing all the suffering around him and for a moment not pause and think - "ya know, if I released the hostages and negotiated in good faith, may be the world will be on my side and my people won't suffer." He obviously didn't care about his own people. This is what happens when hatred for something >>>>>>>> love for people. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: While we rightfully call IDF out for the disproportionate response in Gaza, we must also keep calling out Hamas for using the civilian population of Gaza as shields. Digging tunnels under hospitals, hiding in civilians' homes etc. is - to put it mildly - callous. How could Sinwar be walking around in the rubble of where he was living, seeing all the suffering around him and for a moment not pause and think - "ya know, if I released the hostages and negotiated in good faith, may be the world will be on my side and my people won't suffer." He obviously didn't care about his own people. This is what happens when hatred for something >>>>>>>> love for people. One needs to also look at the situation on the ground. Not defending Hamas here (as they are extremists too) but how are they going to create their own places for “IDF”, “Mossad”, etc. in a city which is more or less a refugee colony and under siege (known as an open air prison)? And many times, it was secretly funded by Israel itself (to keep the Palestinians divided and sabotage the peace). Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicks57 Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 6 minutes ago, zen said: One needs to also look at the situation on the ground. Not defending Hamas here (as they are extremists too) but how are they going to create their own places for “IDF”, “Mossad”, etc. in a city which is more or less a refugee colony and under siege (known as an open air prison)? And many times, it was secretly funded by Israel itself (to keep the Palestinians divided and sabotage the peace). Add this to your argument: IDF is Israel govt's army and Hamas is a militant organisation. There is a difference between a govt entity and a extremist militant organisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 Just now, Vicks57 said: Add this to your argument: IDF is Israel govt's army and Hamas is a militant organisation. There is a difference between a govt entity and a extremist militant organisation Yeah, Palestine is not allowed to have a “real” army, probably only security forces. In Gaza, Hamas’ military wing is considered a terrorist org. Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) Many Jews are beginning to distance themselves from Israel, which has resparked anti-semitism feelings. A goodwill that Israel enjoyed is probably gone. Therefore, we need to separate regular Jews from Zionists. Below Jews supporting Palestine: Edited November 14, 2024 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 14, 2024 Author Share Posted November 14, 2024 Judaism v Zionism: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ranvir Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, mishra said: Typical Punjabi immigrant mentality. still living and seeing India through eyes of 20th Century and will pounce on anything to berate INDIA. To me, a country is never about per capita earning or some western rating agency. HDI of Gaza better than India, Right ? So what is average life expectancy in Gaza? What is average education in Gaza? Are women driving motorbikes and cars in Gaza? Forget that are women working in economy or actually a baby making factory ( Check fertility rate and u realise which country stands where). A uS citizen will struggle to make ends meet if he is earning $50k while you can live a decent life earning $5k in India. You can earn 50k in Gaza/Iaq and still struggle to get safety, security medical and so on. 1.4 billion indians together have massive heft. Comparable or more than western countries like Canada You can have a decent life on $5k in India because there are hundreds of millions of people who you can exploit by paying paltry wages, those people then end up living in appalling slum conditions. This reminds me of a new immigrant Marathi neighbour I had who was complaining about the cost of getting his car fixed here in England, telling me it just cost a few rupees in India. What he didn't realise is that you have to pay a mechanic a decent wage so that they too can have a good quality of life. Both Gaza and Iraq have significantly higher levels of literacy and life expectancy than India. They are cleaner and less chaotic, there's no animals running in the road interfering with traffic. Bangladesh has a comparable literacy level to India and a much better life expectancy. Yes HDI and IQ are western conspiracies. That's why Japan and South Korea rank so high. They give a good indication on development and if you look at the list it looks pretty accurate. There are some intelligent people in India but they are overshadowed by the huge uneducated masses which is why so many Indians move abroad. These uneducated people end up in politics being voted in by similar uneducated morons and thus the country never improves much. How about India having 83 of the 100 most polluted cities in the world, is that also a conspiracy? Also the most slaves in the world. Keep burying your head in the sand and denying it. It just means you'll never be able to fix it. The reason why Indians are successful abroad is because it's only the ones with a decent level of intelligence that move abroad, not being burdened by the hordes of NPCs. You're talking about fertility rates and then bring up 1.4 billion! How on earth did India add over a billion people to its population in less than 80 years. And having such a population is not a strength. The 350 million at independence was more than enough. Edited November 14, 2024 by Ranvir zen, Stan AF and coffee_rules 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted November 14, 2024 Share Posted November 14, 2024 9 hours ago, zen said: Sorry, who is “we” here? All the non-muslims.. just check what Muslims have done in other parts of the world. Desert cult just doesnt have any tolerance for other religions. Unless they have structural reforms, they will continue to be isolated from the rest of the world. You can continue sermonizing & posting umpteen videos, but the truth is Israel is doing what it is, for its own survival. About the choice of palestine as homeland of jews, feel its a complex issue. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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