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1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

You can have a decent life on $5k in India because there are hundreds of millions of people who you can exploit by paying paltry wages, those people then end up living in appalling slum conditions. This reminds me of a new immigrant Marathi neighbour I had who was complaining about the cost of getting his car fixed here in England, telling me it just cost a few rupees in India. What he didn't realise is that you have to pay a mechanic a decent wage so that they too can have a good quality of life. 

 

Both Gaza and Iraq have significantly higher levels of literacy and life expectancy than India. They are cleaner and less chaotic, there's no animals running in the road interfering with traffic. Bangladesh has a comparable literacy level to India and a much better life expectancy. 

 

Yes HDI and IQ are western conspiracies. That's why Japan and South Korea rank so high. They give a good indication on development and if you look at the list it looks pretty accurate. There are some intelligent people in India but they are overshadowed by the huge uneducated masses which is why so many Indians move abroad. These uneducated people end up in politics being voted in by similar uneducated morons and thus the country never improves much. 

 

How about India having 83 of the 100 most polluted cities in the world, is that also a conspiracy? Also the most slaves in the world. 

 

Keep burying your head in the sand and denying it. It just means you'll never be able to fix it. 

 

The reason why Indians are successful abroad is because it's only the ones with a decent level of intelligence that move abroad, not being burdened by the hordes of NPCs. 

 

You're talking about fertility rates and then bring up 1.4 billion! How on earth did India add over a billion people to its population in less than 80 years. And having such a population is not a strength. The 350 million at independence was more than enough. 

Best post I've read in this side of the forum.

 

The first census figure I remember hearing in the 90s was India's population is 85 crores. Now we have almost that number depending on ration. It has only gone progressively from bad to worst. Don't know how this will all end.

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30 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Best post I've read in this side of the forum.

 

The first census figure I remember hearing in the 90s was India's population is 85 crores. Now we have almost that number depending on ration. It has only gone progressively from bad to worst. Don't know how this will all end.

Well the fertility rate is now at slightly below replacement level but the damage is already done. There needs to be drastic reforms to the education system, teaching cleanliness, eradication of the caste system, removal of animals from roads. Strict fines are needed for breaking laws.

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53 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Well the fertility rate is now at slightly below replacement level but the damage is already done. There needs to be drastic reforms to the education system, teaching cleanliness, eradication of the caste system, removal of animals from roads. Strict fines are needed for breaking laws.

Enforcing laws and rules is only possiblle with better education and more investment in policing.

 

Hardly any govt wants to invest in them

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3 hours ago, diga said:

All the non-muslims.. just check what Muslims have done in other parts of the world. Desert cult just doesnt have any tolerance for other religions. Unless they have structural reforms, they will continue to be isolated from the rest of the world. You can continue sermonizing & posting umpteen videos, but the truth is Israel is doing what it is, for its own survival. 

 

About the choice of palestine as homeland of jews, feel its a complex issue.


You cannot claim to be representing “all non-Muslims”. That is hilarious!
 

I have written the below on this thread:

Many do not understand the issue (or may hold a simplistic view such as Muslims = bad, non Muslims = good, where almost any action against Muslims is justified). They thinks Gaza is being bombarded because of 6 hostages when Israel is said to have over 10,000 Palestinians (most considered innocent) in its prison (no equivalence).
 

They do not probably know about (or ignore) the extremists’ idea of a Greater Israel, phase 1 of it appears to be occupy the West Bank with illegal settlements, phase 2 is what we are seeing in Gaza with eventual plans to resettle it, and phase 3 will likely involve targeting areas in Jordan and Lebanon. 

Earlier, Israel got away as lots of events were happening in the ME and neighbouring region - the Iranian Revolution, the Gulf War, AQ, ISIS, etc. Now people appear to be evaluating an issue based on its merit rather than through a blanket understanding of the region or stereotypes.

 

Thankfully, many in the world are vigilant. Countries such as South Africa have filed a genocide case against Israel.  


 

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37 minutes ago, zen said:


You cannot claim to be representing “all non-Muslims”. That is hilarious!
 

I have written the below on this thread:

Many do not understand the issue (or may hold a simplistic view such as Muslims = bad, non Muslims = good, where almost any action against Muslims is justified). They thinks Gaza is being bombarded because of 6 hostages when Israel is said to have over 10,000 Palestinians (most considered innocent) in its prison (no equivalence).
 

They do not probably know about (or ignore) the extremists’ idea of a Greater Israel, phase 1 of it appears to be occupy the West Bank with illegal settlements, phase 2 is what we are seeing in Gaza with eventual plans to resettle it, and phase 3 will likely involve targeting areas in Jordan and Lebanon. 

Earlier, Israel got away as lots of events were happening in the ME and neighbouring region - the Iranian Revolution, the Gulf War, AQ, ISIS, etc. Now people appear to be evaluating an issue based on its merit rather than through a blanket understanding of the region or stereotypes.

 

Thankfully, many in the world are vigilant. Countries such as South Africa have filed a genocide case against Israel.  


 

I dont.. But the islamophobia is not an isolated one. 90% of the world has problem with one religion

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3 minutes ago, diga said:

I dont.. But the islamophobia is not an isolated one. 90% of the world has problem with one religion


Ok (so “we” does not = all non Muslims).  
 

That is “your” data (probably based on exposure to a specific environment).
 

You probably need to refresh yourself on the issue.

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In response to extremist Netanyahu comment - “Israel Army is the most moral army” , Chris Sidoti, Member, UN Commission of Inquiry, remarks  “Israel Army is one of the most criminal armies in the world”:

 

 

 

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:hatsoff:to the journalists (those that still remain there in some fashion) and humanitarian workers out there in Gaza. 
 

Arwa Damon quit journalism to be a humanitarian worker. 

 

Below is a general summary of expose of Israel (and the US):

 



 

 

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On 11/15/2024 at 12:52 AM, Ranvir said:

Well the fertility rate is now at slightly below replacement level but the damage is already done. There needs to be drastic reforms to the education system, teaching cleanliness, eradication of the caste system, removal of animals from roads. Strict fines are needed for breaking laws.

The fertility rate is what you can say a key indicator of a society. I intentionally reminded you this basic but key HDI. It measures exactly how a society is growing. If women in society are empowered and have aspirations. Ask any Indian to choose between India vs (Not West and just some rich ME contry) and most of time it will be India.

 

 

Now, You said u are in UK, i can name plenty of streets in my closest town where i can not walk by myself. It smells bad. So called nations pride NHS queues are so big that people die without being diagnosed. Middle class has no option but to die due yo lack of medical care. Even you will accept its matter of time before it all explodes. Righ now new recruits of NHS is not Indians but Africans, And war torn ME natiins. why, bcos UK is not attractive to them category Indians any more

 


your Life expectancy argument.

LE in UK is significantly more than US , does that mean given opportunity someone will choose UK over US. Or quality of life in UK is better that US. Emphatic No. Everyone wants to be in US. After people reach age of 65-70 its lifestyle and habbits that beat the medical science. We are diabetic, we love sweets and we love our Samosas and street food in India. May be reason of our problems is somehere else.

 

Finaly, countries where social mobility is high, aspirations exists,  culture tradition and education go hand in hand, they can create a Japan or China only, There is no chance they will ever become US or Western nation untill rules post world war 2 are put in a bin.

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On 11/14/2024 at 11:59 PM, Ranvir said:

You can have a decent life on $5k in India because there are hundreds of millions of people who you can exploit by paying paltry wages, those people then end up living in appalling slum conditions. This reminds me of a new immigrant Marathi neighbour I had who was complaining about the cost of getting his car fixed here in England, telling me it just cost a few rupees in India. What he didn't realise is that you have to pay a mechanic a decent wage so that they too can have a good quality of life. 

 

Both Gaza and Iraq have significantly higher levels of literacy and life expectancy than India. They are cleaner and less chaotic, there's no animals running in the road interfering with traffic. Bangladesh has a comparable literacy level to India and a much better life expectancy. 

 

Yes HDI and IQ are western conspiracies. That's why Japan and South Korea rank so high. They give a good indication on development and if you look at the list it looks pretty accurate. There are some intelligent people in India but they are overshadowed by the huge uneducated masses which is why so many Indians move abroad. These uneducated people end up in politics being voted in by similar uneducated morons and thus the country never improves much. 

 

How about India having 83 of the 100 most polluted cities in the world, is that also a conspiracy? Also the most slaves in the world. 

 

Keep burying your head in the sand and denying it. It just means you'll never be able to fix it. 

 

The reason why Indians are successful abroad is because it's only the ones with a decent level of intelligence that move abroad, not being burdened by the hordes of NPCs. 

 

You're talking about fertility rates and then bring up 1.4 billion! How on earth did India add over a billion people to its population in less than 80 years. And having such a population is not a strength. The 350 million at independence was more than enough. 

 

That gaza hdi is now worth **** to be honest. As is the hdi of lebenon or syria. You can add Jordan to that list very soon.

 

Notice a trend? Rather take cows on the streets than a combustible state...

 

India has an hdi which has a long term growth trend. Arab states sadly dont.

 

Its not just India. Even Indonesia has overtaken north african states.

 

Blunt truth. Barring gcc and israel the middle east is slowly going down the pan...

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, mishra said:

The fertility rate is what you can say a key indicator of a society. I intentionally reminded you this basic but key HDI. It measures exactly how a society is growing. If women in society are empowered and have aspirations. Ask any Indian to choose between India vs (Not West and just some rich ME contry) and most of time it will be India.

 

 

Now, You said u are in UK, i can name plenty of streets in my closest town where i can not walk by myself. It smells bad. So called nations pride NHS queues are so big that people die without being diagnosed. Middle class has no option but to die due yo lack of medical care. Even you will accept its matter of time before it all explodes. Righ now new recruits of NHS is not Indians but Africans, And war torn ME natiins. why, bcos UK is not attractive to them category Indians any more

 


your Life expectancy argument.

LE in UK is significantly more than US , does that mean given opportunity someone will choose UK over US. Or quality of life in UK is better that US. Emphatic No. Everyone wants to be in US. After people reach age of 65-70 its lifestyle and habbits that beat the medical science. We are diabetic, we love sweets and we love our Samosas and street food in India. May be reason of our problems is somehere else.

 

Finaly, countries where social mobility is high, aspirations exists,  culture tradition and education go hand in hand, they can create a Japan or China only, There is no chance they will ever become US or Western nation untill rules post world war 2 are put in a bin.

So you have left India to move to the UK, a bit hypocritical. 

 

I would never move to any Middle Eastern country as they are too Islamic for my liking. But still I would say they are better run than India and are OK for their Muslim population. India is a place where basic rules simply aren't followed or enforced. 

 

The quality of life in the USA is not better in my opinion, longer working hours, fewer holidays, gun violence, more drug addicts. I saw more crazy people in my one week holiday to Los Angeles than I have in my entire life. San Francisco is even worse. The amount of racism is worse, I had some fundamentalist Christian randomly shout out to my turbaned friend that he's going to hell in the Wall Street area. God knows what it's like in the mid West or South. 

 

The poor life expectancy in India isn't due to diet, it's due to the poor medical care, poor work conditions, lack of safety, disregard of human life. Indians in the UK have a life expectancy of about 83 years and eat that crappy food as well. 

 

Only through criticism can you improve. 

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1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

So you have left India to move to the UK, a bit hypocritical. 

 

I would never move to any Middle Eastern country as they are too Islamic for my liking. But still I would say they are better run than India and are OK for their Muslim population. India is a place where basic rules simply aren't followed or enforced. 

 

The quality of life in the USA is not better in my opinion, longer working hours, fewer holidays, gun violence, more drug addicts. I saw more crazy people in my one week holiday to Los Angeles than I have in my entire life. San Francisco is even worse. The amount of racism is worse, I had some fundamentalist Christian randomly shout out to my turbaned friend that he's going to hell in the Wall Street area. God knows what it's like in the mid West or South. 

 

The poor life expectancy in India isn't due to diet, it's due to the poor medical care, poor work conditions, lack of safety, disregard of human life. Indians in the UK have a life expectancy of about 83 years and eat that crappy food as well. 

 

Only through criticism can you improve. 

Yes, UK is better than India that doesn’t justify every TDH country is better than India. Indian growth is organic. Its better in several aspects than rest of world and also has problems too.

 

However US is definitely better than UK and i would have moved to US till particular phase of my life. Now I won’t. Just like my parents refused yo come here after retirement(phase of their

life).

 

US was and is land of opportunity. Not sure if you have experience working in a MNC but if you have worked, you will realise how Indians progressed in US but stuck/ignoored in UK in management hierarchy.

When BBC portrays US is racist, Someone needs to ask them how many Indian took BBC top floor despite being in UK since over 200 years.

 

I think you are probably one who get influenced by British propaganda. A eyeopener statement i read was on Rt? Why Russians report about Russia, Indian report about problems in India but British channels discuss about problems everywhere other than their own country? Think about it.

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