Vilander Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, maniac said: Because Raina like most clutch players became hit and miss after they hit a certain peak. More misses than hits as career progresses. You can’t have players like that as leaders. Had he moved away from the CSK eco system he would have faded away a lot sooner: Raina would not be picked outside of CSK. Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I see fierce loyalty for Dhoni from many quarters, the guy has something about him for sure. sorak 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 this must be raina's ringtone Mariyam 1 Link to comment
sage Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 will he jump off a building or take a bullet for Thala though? Link to comment
Jay Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 If Dhoni doesn't crap for a week, rains would hold his faces in too? Nice Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 That's MS craze. No one says that about lodu sachin haha Laaloo and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Vilander said: I see fierce loyalty for Dhoni from many quarters, the guy has something about him for sure. Yeah, power and influence. No one will have fierce loyalty for anyone without that Link to comment
Sean Bradley Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Vilander said: I see fierce loyalty for Dhoni from many quarters, the guy has something about him for sure. This is not Loyalty, its is a result of favouritism, keeping the deserving talents out and playing your own personal favorites ahead of them, creating your own lobby within the team. On the contrary there are many former cricketers who are just as anti Dhoni as there are some of his loyalists. Nikola 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, New guy said: Yeah, power and influence. No one will have fierce loyalty for anyone without that Not after their career is over and they are out of the power circle. It could also mean he invests in people nurtures them and then farms them as an asset. He is a clever operator for sure, there are layers to the guy he is interesting persona. Ankit_sharma03 and cricketfan28 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Sean Bradley said: This is not Loyalty, its is a result of favouritism, keeping the deserving talents out and playing your own personal favorites ahead of them, creating your own lobby within the team. On the contrary there are many former cricketers who are just as anti Dhoni as there are some of his loyalists. I don't agree. cricketfan28 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vilander said: Not after their career is over and they are out of the power circle. It could also mean he invests in people nurtures them and then farms them as an asset. He is a clever operator for sure, there are layers to the guy he is interesting persona. But by that time they are entrenched and attached. That's how human nature works. You invest your time and energy worshiping someone, it doesn't go just because they lost power. It's like loyalty to an emperor when their supporters would die for him even when he is deposed and no longer has power. A lifetime fo devotion doesn't go away in a moment. Sunk cost falacy comes into play Dhoni was never a technical captain like kohli, he was an instinctive and people's captain and deliberately cultivated loyalty by thoroughly backing some players. And that loyalty is being repaid now. So yeah we are kinda saying the same thing but it's calcualtive, not natural But for that loyalty to start Dhoni needed to be all powerful, and he was Edited July 10, 2021 by New guy GoldenSun and Vilander 2 Link to comment
Serpico Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 why are everyone suddenly eager in proving their loyalty? is something big happening? is he becoming next bcci chief? beetle 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 hours ago, New guy said: Dhoni was never a technical captain like kohli, he was an instinctive and people's captain and deliberately cultivated loyalty by thoroughly backing some players. And that loyalty is being repaid now. So yeah we are kinda saying the same thing but it's calcualtive, not natural Yup Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Serpico said: why are everyone suddenly eager in proving their loyalty? is something big happening? is he becoming next bcci chief? At times people are just emotional man these things happen. When they go through intense emotional scrutiny under media they tend to get comfortable or cultivated by leaders which in this case would be the captain of the cricket team or coach of a football team etc. Its normal you will see this with army team captains as well its an emotional bond like the ones kids have with parents but more fickle and benefit based since it is between adults. Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Rasgulla said: That's MS craze. No one says that about lodu sachin haha Sachin was a genius player and not common people, and not a leader. Dhoni was people's leader type guy. So yeah. I personally like Dhoni better obviously. sorak, New guy and Rasgulla 1 2 Link to comment
TheWall Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Hope dhoni plays next season's and Raina doesn't get picked... beetle and speedheat 2 Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Is Raina for real? He announced his retirement as soon as MSD retired. And now he wont play IPL if Dhoni dont? Lol Suresh Raina was a fine cricketer...once suppose to be the next Indian captain. But this blind worshipping of Dhoni destroyed his career. Awful stuff. Link to comment
New guy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Vilander said: Sachin was a genius player and not common people, and not a leader. Dhoni was people's leader type guy. So yeah. I personally like Dhoni better obviously. Sachin never demanded loyalty and would be first to discourage if any player said this and would ask them to respect the game . He commanded respect and love, like when kohli and players carried him on his shoulders and dedicated world cup to him. That's how you show love, not by declaring loyalty in media interviews but with your actual actions. It's a lot like it happened today with Messi and Argentina players Edited July 11, 2021 by New guy Link to comment
R!TTER Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said: He announced his retirement as soon as MSD retired. And now he wont play IPL if Dhoni dont? Imagine this scenario - Srini Mama > Meiyappan > MS > Raina & now see this Austin 3:!6, New guy and Lord 3 Link to comment
New guy Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, MultiB48 said: Sachin had different priorities ,would get upset if someone declared on him or sat on his chair or ate his cheese cake. Sachin wasn't upset, he was asked a question and he honestly replied that management had given him X overs to bat and he was surprised they declared earlier I don't understand the gaslighting and out of context reply. What next, discuss ferari tax? Link to comment
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