Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated CoViD data - this graph, I think, needs its own thread.

[EnterTheVoid]

100 Million Indians fully vaccinated. Hundreds of millions more to become fully vaccinated in the coming months.

 

When an advanced economy like Australia can't vaccinate 25 Million people, and enforce snap lockdowns at the sound of someone sneezing, it shows just how much we have achieved.

 

So proud of the matrabhoomi in this regard   

[BacktoCricaddict]

 

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Edited August 4, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[Real McCoy]

7 hours ago, ash said:

Think this group is fine. Except this @Real McCoyguy everyone here accepts that vaccine works. Yes, some expressed concerns with vaccine safety,  but no one here outright denied that the vaccine is hoax expect this guy. Singlehandedly bringing down the IQ of this forum. 

You be the high IQ guy and take the shot. Don't expect others to take it. I see a lot of resistance. keyboard warrior lol

Edited August 4, 2021 by Real McCoy

[rkt.india]

On 8/3/2021 at 11:02 PM, EnterTheVoid said:

 

Don't know what nonsense you are on about

 

Unvaccinated pests are the primary reason for the snap lockdowns, they are the ones going around spreading the virus. At least where I am. 

 

Sorry to break it to you but these "people" are absolutely despised. And that is putting it mildly. 

Vaccines do not prevent infection. It's a simple thing to understand really. They prevent severe disease. Don't even once think you won't get infected just because you got vaccine. Vaccinated may get infected staying asymptomatic and spread it to other unvaccinated people. 

[EnterTheVoid]

32 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccines do not prevent infection. It's a simple thing to understand really. They prevent severe disease. Don't even once think you won't get infected just because you got vaccine. Vaccinated may get infected staying asymptomatic and spread it to other unvaccinated people. 

 

Seat belts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash. Birth control don't guarantee you will not fall pregnant.

 

Neither are absolute guarantees. But they don't hurt your chances.

 

There is a small chance of getting COVID once vaccinated. I'd rather take that risk than not get vaccinated and just hope that I don't get it.

[rkt.india]

10 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said:

 

Seat belts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash. Birth control don't guarantee you will not fall pregnant.

 

Neither are absolute guarantees. But they don't hurt your chances.

 

There is a small chance of getting COVID once vaccinated. I'd rather take that risk than not get vaccinated and just hope that I don't get it.

Vaccines don't reduce your chances of getting Covid. They only reduce severe disease. Vaccines aren't a shield. They are antidotes.

Edited August 5, 2021 by rkt.india

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccines don't reduce your chances of getting Covid. They only reduce severe disease.

 

That is not true.  They reduce incidence by a factor of 8, and hospitalization and death by a factor of 25.

[BacktoCricaddict]

Real-world vaccine effectiveness

Multiple studies from the United States and other countries have demonstrated that a two-dose COVID-19 mRNA vaccination series is highly effective against SARS-CoV-2 infection (including both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections) caused by ancestral and variant strains and sequelae including severe disease, hospitalization, and death. Early evidence for the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine also demonstrates effectiveness against COVID-19 in real-world conditions.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

 

It's not zero infections, but much closer to zero than unvaccinated people.  

Edited August 6, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict

[Real McCoy]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-thread-fauci-cdc-contradictions

 

"One big, obvious area of flipping is around the benefits of wearing a mask. Dr. Fauci originally said that masks weren’t effective & publicly encouraged Americans not to buy them (guidance he doesn’t regret). Now even vaccinated people need to wear masks," Holden wrote to accompany images of various headlines showing changing positions on masks. 

 

Holden also pointed out that Fauci recently "declared confidently that the CDC wasn’t going to change its recommendation about masking given the Delta variant." He added the image of a headline indicating that Fauci has since changed his position and recently said new mask mandates are under consideration. 

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Holden shared headlines to prove the CDC has reversed its stance on COVID testing, too. 

 

"And you may have forgotten, but the CDC had a brouhaha also in September when new guidance about airborne transmission - including beyond 6 feet - went live on the agency’s website," Holden wrote. "It was quickly scrubbed after a brief medical & news firestorm. Not exactly confidence-inspiring."

 

"Schools have seen lots of reversals. In February, the CDC Director said schools could reopen safely w/o teachers vaccinated," he continued. "Well, a few calls from the teachers union later, the CDC reversed course. Weeks later, new guidance (sensing a theme?) was released focusing on teachers."

 

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"The coronavirus pandemic is unlike anything any of us have seen before. There should be some charity and humility about bad predictions," Holden wrote. "But the idea that Dr. Fauci and the CDC haven’t flip-flopped? That’s just preposterous."

 

"Is it any wonder Americans don’t trust public health experts after this? Does it surprise anyone that Dr. Fauci and the CDC aren’t seen as reputable now? These failures have consequences, and you can measure them in lives," Holden wrote before concluding his thread by encouraging followers to donate to a Washington, D.C. food bank. 

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CDC is just as trustwothy as Fauci both flipflopping

Edited August 5, 2021 by Real McCoy

[EnterTheVoid]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Vaccines don't reduce your chances of getting Covid. They only reduce severe disease. Vaccines aren't a shield. They are antidotes.

 

Another lie. That just isn't true. 

 

Where do you get your misinformation from?

[ash]

 

 

Another stat to prove the efficiency of vaccines. Don't know how many more people need to get convinced.

[BacktoCricaddict]

32 minutes ago, ash said:

 

 

Another stat to prove the efficiency of vaccines. Don't know how many more people need to get convinced.

 

The issue is an understandable lack of trust in a system that makes one feel disempowered.  Sometimes, there is good reason for it.  But, once one starts with the premise that everything that is happening is because "Big" someone or Big Something is trying to control you via _____________________ mechanism, then you view everything through that lens.  Just as unfortunate is the fact that, in many cases, people trust their own personal experiences more than those obtained from large sample sizes because those are impersonal. 

 

But, the tide may be turning albeit slowly at least in the US.  It took a sharp rise in Delta cases for an uptick in vaccination rates in many of the red states.  Unfortunately, it came at a very high cost.  Most delta deaths were highly preventable (some doctors estimate 90% of the deaths were preventable) and now, it is hitting people close-to-home.     

 

 

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, ash said:

 

 

Another stat to prove the efficiency of vaccines. Don't know how many more people need to get convinced.

So 47k cases daily even after vaccination and that's the point. Vaccine isn't preventing infection.

Edited August 6, 2021 by rkt.india

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

So 47k cases daily even after vaccination and that's the point. Vaccine isn't preventing infection.

Even asymptomatic infection incidence in vaccinateds in much lower (113/1000 person-years) compared to unvaccinateds (292/1000 person-years).  It is preventing infection.  No one ever claimed it would be down to zero infections.  

 

 

[EnterTheVoid]

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/health/a37229735/bodybuilder-death-covid/

 

Young, fit, can't possibly get COVID. Refuses to get the vaccine. 

 

In a surprise to no one, he dies from COVID.

 

Are these anti vaxxers destined to die this way? Idiots. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by EnterTheVoid

[EnterTheVoid]

7 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

The issue is an understandable lack of trust in a system that makes one feel disempowered.  Sometimes, there is good reason for it.  But, once one starts with the premise that everything that is happening is because "Big" someone or Big Something is trying to control you via _____________________ mechanism, then you view everything through that lens.  Just as unfortunate is the fact that, in many cases, people trust their own personal experiences more than those obtained from large sample sizes because those are impersonal. 

 

But, the tide may be turning albeit slowly at least in the US.  It took a sharp rise in Delta cases for an uptick in vaccination rates in many of the red states.  Unfortunately, it came at a very high cost.  Most delta deaths were highly preventable (some doctors estimate 90% of the deaths were preventable) and now, it is hitting people close-to-home.     

 

 

 

Mix stupidity, ignorance and victim mentality together and you get the modern day Covidiot.

[Real McCoy]

menshealth is owned by hearst corporation. It owns a variety of magazines and tv stations in the US and worldwide.

Here is the founder of hearst media - William Hearst. He along with Pulitzer birthed yellow journalism which continues to the day with his media conglomerates. poor form quoting a farticle from that site. menshealth, womenshealth, etc are a glorified rag

 

 

[nevada]

5 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

menshealth is owned by hearst corporation. It owns a variety of magazines and tv stations in the US and worldwide.

Here is the founder of hearst media - William Hearst. He along with Pulitzer birthed yellow journalism which continues to the day with his media conglomerates. poor form quoting a farticle from that site. menshealth, womenshealth, etc are a glorified rag

 

 

And that fellow was a bodybuilder. Nothing to see there, move along. 

[EnterTheVoid]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

And that fellow was a bodybuilder. Nothing to see there, move along. 

 

Wait, just hang on a second there. 

 

We have a person who is young, is supposedly super fit, who thought he can't possibly get ill from the virus.

 

Who doesn't listen to anyone. And in a surprise to no one, ends up dying from the virus.

 

Way to miss the elephant in the room and cry about something else. 

[EnterTheVoid]

Anti-vaccine activists have hounded people queuing outside a COVID-19 vaccination centre in Melbourne in an attempt to convince them not to go ahead with immunisation.

 

According to Anne Kruger, Asia-Pacific director of misinformation research organisation First Draft, the language peddled by the group in the video bears "the hallmarks of disinformation techniques we see online".

 

These include using provocative language, name calling, shouting in a passive aggressive manner and referring to those leaving the vaccine centre after receiving a shot as "trans human" and "zombies".

 

Worst of all, according to Dr Kruger, was the group yelling out: "It's going to kill you".

 

 

"We just converted somebody down at the vax hub," a woman filming one video can be heard boasting.

 

"So we're feeling quite good."

 

The woman explains how the group approached the supposedly already hesitant woman on her way into the centre and "converted" her.

 

"We started talking to her and she's not going to get it now," the anti-vaccine activist said.

 

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Link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/coronacheck-melbourne-anti-vaccine-boris-johnson-eriksen/100215852

 

 

Absolute and utter scum.  No wonder these "people" are absolutely despised.

Edited August 9, 2021 by EnterTheVoid