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Indian investment is done n dusted.  So that's one thing. 

I don't think India will have anything else to do then just sit & watch. 

ISI did its thing that frankly everyone knows about..  They are the one behind all this. 

 

China will probably cut some deal with Taliban..  Buy them off & do their own stuff. 

Afghanistan was always n forever a clusterfcuk.   Paxtan Army & ISI has the ultimate remote...  Biggest beneficiary of all this. 

 

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3 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Northern areas' loss is surprising and more sad coz that wasn't Taliban stronghold.... hoping against hope that Gen. Dostum (Uzbek) can reverse the situation in North... central Afghanistan is hilly and is hazara dominated....rest of the nation (excluding Kabul and mazar e Sharif ) has fallen.

Is Badakhshan under Taliban control yet?   Huge buildup of Tajik forces along its border.  Some exercises happened as well with Russians

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7 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Qatar, UAE (underground) and Paxtan heavily invested in Taliban support. It will heavily backfire with Paxtan playing victim card and cry that they are victims of other people’ war. It is 1998 all over again. US couldn’t sustain such a long drawn out war. They should have learnt from the Cold War. India list all control and never had an semblance of RoI in Afghanistan. 

 

Qatar you mean the Saudi Arabia?, I don't think Quatar has good relation with UAE and Saudi Arabia so I don't think they will much invested Taliban and most 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi Arabia 

 

3 hours ago, QuarantineTormentino said:

I’m no Geo Politik expert, but isn’t the Taliban coming to power bad news for Pakistan as well? I mean they refuse to accept the Durand Line and also just asked Pakistan for visa free border crossing for afghan citizens. On top of that they also support the Pakistani taliban. Don’t understand why Pakistan has invested in them

 

Yes it bad news for Pakistan for their  economy and growth there is chance Pakistan may have situation like Afghanistan in future if they are not careful but as long ISI is control there might uneasy peace 

 

49 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Indian investment is done n dusted.  So that's one thing. 

I don't think India will have anything else to do then just sit & watch. 

ISI did its thing that frankly everyone knows about..  They are the one behind all this. 

 

China will probably cut some deal with Taliban..  Buy them off & do their own stuff. 

Afghanistan was always n forever a clusterfcuk.   Paxtan Army & ISI has the ultimate remote...  Biggest beneficiary of all this. 

 

I don't think cutting deal with Taliban will so easy for China if they want make significance investment in Pakistan or Afghanistan  remember US created and assisted Taliban at the start to fight Russia look how it turned out. 

 

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6 hours ago, rising said:

 

Qatar you mean the Saudi Arabia?, I don't think Quatar has good relation with UAE and Saudi Arabia so I don't think they will much invested Taliban and most 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi Arabia 

 

 

Yes it bad news for Pakistan for their  economy and growth there is chance Pakistan may have situation like Afghanistan in future if they are not careful but as long ISI is control there might uneasy peace 

 

I don't think cutting deal with Taliban will so easy for China if they want make significance investment in Pakistan or Afghanistan  remember US created and assisted Taliban at the start to fight Russia look how it turned out. 

 

Why would SAraboa support Taliban and antagonize their defense suppliers USA? Qatar is siding with Iran

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49 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said:

Are the current Taliban just as barbaric as the mob that destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha statues 20 years back? :mad:

 

Or have they mellowed down a bit?

In last 20 years, smartphones and internet have grown. I am intrigued to find out will they be hypocrite enough to force  the women to cover from head to toe while watching freely available porn on their phones.

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4 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said:

Are the current Taliban just as barbaric as the mob that destroyed the Bamiyan Buddha statues 20 years back? :mad:

 

Or have they mellowed down a bit?

I feel they have definitely become smarter. 

 

My view based on my limited understand, two things are happening. a) Pakistan is trying to worsen the situation with a hope they get foreign aid in the name of saving Afghanistan. I am not sure if world is going to fall for it again. b) Taliban are now talking to anyone who is willing to talk to them. They are cash strapped, no longer have the kind of military equipment they had in past also they understand Pakistanis have nothing to offer. So their policy seems to be take over the country and then get money which ever way they can and then decide what needs to be done next.  

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Cant blame America here , they couldn't have sustained for another 10-20 years whereas taliban keeps fighting their guerilla warfare. pashtuns and afghans are genetically inclined to fight , and you can't beat them using millitary strategy and cutting off their funds. Nothing can avoid now taliban from taking over Kabul and enforce sharia law...Its ok if thats what those people want but world is worried about extremist activities spilling over to other countries..

 

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1 hour ago, urbestfriend said:

Cant blame America here , they couldn't have sustained for another 10-20 years whereas taliban keeps fighting their guerilla warfare. pashtuns and afghans are genetically inclined to fight , and you can't beat them using millitary strategy and cutting off their funds. Nothing can avoid now taliban from taking over Kabul and enforce sharia law...Its ok if thats what those people want but world is worried about extremist activities spilling over to other countries..

 


Why announce a withdrawal date? That has immerse strategic implications,  and have only embolden the extremists. You dont start nor end a war with a given date. 
 

Then, US will not admit to mistakes, because they never make mistakes.
 

Also, battling with ideology groups, your money can make friends, but only temporary. Its rental friendship and will never last. This has implications for our internal security as well where dynasts parties and peaceful voters is a temporary truce.

 

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1 hour ago, urbestfriend said:

Cant blame America here , they couldn't have sustained for another 10-20 years whereas taliban keeps fighting their guerilla warfare. pashtuns and afghans are genetically inclined to fight , and you can't beat them using millitary strategy and cutting off their funds. Nothing can avoid now taliban from taking over Kabul and enforce sharia law...Its ok if thats what those people want but world is worried about extremist activities spilling over to other countries..

 


When you say what people want, which people are we talking. Women and girls made sex slaves are not voting for this, I would imagine. 

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58 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:


When you say what people want, which people are we talking. Women and girls made sex slaves are not voting for this, I would imagine. 

Afghan army has a strength of 300K. They are armed with US training and weapons. Taliban on the other hand are maybe a 4th or 5th in strength, cant imagine them being better equipped, yet they are running through the country. Somewhere something is wrong.   

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10 hours ago, randomGuy said:

In last 20 years, smartphones and internet have grown. I am intrigued to find out will they be hypocrite enough to force  the women to cover from head to toe while watching freely available porn on their phones.


Missing the point. They are motivated and justify themselves through religious ideology. So past, now, future is all the same for them,  irrespective of technology

 

The same women attire is also seen in India, yet no so called progressives Muslims are vocal about it. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, someone said:


Missing the point. They are motivated and justify themselves through religious ideology. So past, now, future is all the same for them,  irrespective of technology

 

The same women attire is also seen in India, yet no so called progressives Muslims are vocal about it. 

 

 

Could very well be that you are right...but in that case they are hypocrite. Watch naked women on mobiles, but on the road, not allow them to show even their toe. Watching naked women on phones anytime daily they couldn't do 20 yrs back.

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