How would the whole situation play out if there was no IPL happening right after?

[urbestfriend]

Point being made is , since there is no outbreak among players, right thing to do was postpone the match for 2-3 days and take a call. Most probably, some players would've missed one game of IPL due to quarantine restriction which is still OK. It hardly would've made much difference anyway to the final tally as there are 14 games overall..

Question is asked about what if players are really tested positive...But that is a hypothetical situation just like what if there is rain, what if there is a terrorist attack etc, had that happened, fans would understand and move on...

If IPL was not there, or India was trailing 2-1, most people think players might have a different opinion..

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Point being made is , since there is no outbreak among players, right thing to do was postpone the match for 2-3 days and take a call. Most probably, some players would've missed one game of IPL due to quarantine restriction which is still OK. It hardly would've made much difference anyway to the final tally as there are 14 games overall..

Question is asked about what if players are really tested positive...But that is a hypothetical situation just like what if there is rain, what if there is a terrorist attack etc, had that happened, fans would understand and move on...

If IPL was not there, or India was trailing 2-1, most people think players might have a different opinion..

Not really. ECB denied postponing and we also faced same situation in SL where we had to field depleted team. Imagine Bhuvi batting at 6 for Indian team in a T20. 

 

If India was 2-1 behind, we knew it wouldn't have mattered. They would have lost it like they did in 2014. It would have become difficult to come back for them. Once we lag behind in England, we can't catch up.

[ShoonyaSifar]

3 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Point being made is , since there is no outbreak among players, right thing to do was postpone the match for 2-3 days and take a call. Most probably, some players would've missed one game of IPL due to quarantine restriction which is still OK. It hardly would've made much difference anyway to the final tally as there are 14 games overall..

Question is asked about what if players are really tested positive...But that is a hypothetical situation just like what if there is rain, what if there is a terrorist attack etc, had that happened, fans would understand and move on...

If IPL was not there, or India was trailing 2-1, most people think players might have a different opinion..

ECB cancelled county matches for a single positive case. Why should the consideration be any different for a test match, that too with 4 positive cases in one team.

 

ECB need to be asked this question. For commercial considerations, have they compromised the health of everyone involved - players, support staff, officials, fans? Why did they allow the 4th test to go ahead despite 3 covid cases?

[raki05]

8 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

since there is no outbreak among players, right thing to do was postpone the match for 2-3 days and take a call.

What do you mean no outbreak in players. Are you ok to play a 5 day test match of important series without physio and coaches. Besides as per Kohli he was ok to postponed it by 1-2 days which ECB dint agreed to. Postponing for few days was not feasible for ECB and they denied and why would even india agreed to it when it has prescheduled ipl planned. It's not like India preponed ipl or plan it after cancellation of 5th test. Had india flown away for a NZ series in place of ipl do you expect anyone would have cried.

[urbestfriend]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Not really. ECB denied postponing and we also faced same situation in SL where we had to field depleted team. Imagine Bhuvi batting at 6 for Indian team in a T20. 

 

If India was 2-1 behind, we knew it wouldn't have mattered. They would have lost it like they did in 2014. It would have become difficult to come back for them. Once we lag behind in England, we can't catch up.

Any links that ECB denied to postpone the match? They denied that match was postponed doesnt mean they were against it..Indian players sent a letter denying to play on 9th, so unless we know whats happened between ECB and BCCI on 10th, you cant come to any conclusion..I am pretty sure ECB would've taken up postponing for 2 days..

 

Why did India field depleted team in Srilanka when the same thing, flying away in the name of covid, could've been an option? At that time, players were also tested positive...Here no case of covid among players were reported..

Why this two different behavior for the same situation? Because there is IPL lurking...

 

And most probably even if the match had taken place, players would've missed first match of IPL due to 6 days quarantine, so a no match sits very well for IPL..

[urbestfriend]

If ECB really didn't want to postpone this match for 2 days, fair play to Indians for cancelling the test..ITs understandable that players didn't want to take the field with so much happening ..

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Agreed .. this would have the been right thing to do even now . So what if the players missed few ipl games ? 

Correct. They can very well use domestic talents. It is after all domestic cricket. But money determines. Circus team owners get priority.

[raki05]

I dont understand this why should english board gets so much of priority. Let not go in to ipl, india didn't want to take on field without support staff and also they have this fear that few of them might get infected so they requested to postponed the test. Now can someone points out what's wrong in that dont give this ipl execuse had it been any other series in place of ipl india would have gone for that.

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

England had positive tests in South Africa that ended up being false-positives (but South Africa had real cases), the series was mutually postponed with the CSA team doctor admitting his own team had been to relaxed in following the rules set out.

 

Because the rules were different, previously anyone in contact with someone who caught covid had to legally isolate, that is no longer the case.

 

Same again for this question.

 

We'd have pulled them out and replaced them like we did with our ODI squad earlier in the summer. The ECB quite literally stated positives cases on this tour would be 'inevitable' and that procedures would be in place to deal with them and carry on playing. India toured in the knowledge of that statement.

All those arguments would have been valid had ECB not cancelled Surrey vs Durrham game end of August due to ONE positive case. 

 

How can health risks be different for tests and FC matches in the same country. 

[Lord]

8 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

They would have postponed the test for a few days till the results clear. 

 

they already requested ECB to delay the Test but they declined.

[Lord]

6 hours ago, urbestfriend said:

If ECB really didn't want to postpone this match for 2 days, fair play to Indians for cancelling the test..ITs understandable that players didn't want to take the field with so much happening ..

https://www.dnaindia.com/cricket/report-eng-vs-ind-manchester-ecb-refused-indian-captain-virat-kohli-s-suggestion-of-delayed-start-of-5th-test-report-2910593

 

Nasser suggests same at 2:50

 

 

[Vilander]

8 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Again there was no outbreak in the playing eleven . 

They were first contacts lol 

[Vilander]

21 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

They're not, the difference is Surrey couldn't get everyone PCR tested and obtain the results fast enough after the positive test came to light before needing to chuck everyone on a coach up to Durham. The entire Indian touring party had been PCR tested twice. It's also quite possible some of Surrey's squad weren't double vaccinated therefore had to legally self isolate. Surrey were back in action with the majority of their normal squad a week after the the positive test came to light. The cancelled game was likely pretty inconsequential and a money-coster rather than money-maker.

The difference is nothing. Death is a far bigger concern than some cricket game. Always. 

[rkt.india]

41 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

They're not, the difference is Surrey couldn't get everyone PCR tested and obtain the results fast enough after the positive test came to light before needing to chuck everyone on a coach up to Durham. The entire Indian touring party had been PCR tested twice. It's also quite possible some of Surrey's squad weren't double vaccinated therefore had to legally self isolate. Surrey were back in action with the majority of their normal squad a week after the the positive test came to light. The cancelled game was likely pretty inconsequential and a money-coster rather than money-maker.

Indian players did not have pcr test twice. They had one rapid test lateral flow and then PCR test. Physio was positive four days after Shastri. So there was no way to be sure that there was no risk of Covid. Then second thing was isolating the close contacts. Once you isolated the close contacts. They didn't have the team to play.

[figo6762]

29 minutes ago, Vilander said:

The difference is nothing. Death is a far bigger concern than some cricket game. Always. 

Death from what none of the players were infected . Statistically they were are the same level of exposure when shastri got infected in fourth test . 
 

where was the fear of death then ? They played day 4 and 5 … 

[urbestfriend]

I am pretty sure Players would've gone ahead with the test, if there was no IPL considering ICC allows covid subs, so India had enough players in the contigent..But a thought on quarantining for 10 days if tested positive and potentially missing the many matches in IPL, specially being captains for Kohli and Rohit, turned the tide..So its wrong to say that IPL didn't play a part.. Having said that ECB is also equally responsible for not postponing the match for 2 days which would've given enough time for the players for second test to isolate any positive players..

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, urbestfriend said:

I am pretty sure Players would've gone ahead with the test, if there was no IPL considering ICC allows covid subs, so India had enough players in the contigent..But a thought on quarantining for 10 days if tested positive and potentially missing the many matches in IPL, specially being captains for Kohli and Rohit, turned the tide..So its wrong to say that IPL didn't play a part.. Having said that ECB is also equally responsible for not postponing the match for 2 days which would've given enough time for the players for second test to isolate any positive players..

 

Here is the thing.  With or without match they should have stayed there for 2 more days for testing to come back negative. Why did they immediately rush to Dubai?  They boarded the flight as soon as test came back negative.  As per Mumbai Indians they are going to be quarantined for 6 days in Dubai.  Basically they will be there doing nothing. So there is more to the story.  

 

https://sports.ndtv.com/ipl-2021/ipl-2021-india-players-leave-manchester-for-dubai-after-testing-negative-for-covid-again-2537693

 

 

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Here is the thing.  With or without match they should have stayed there for 2 more days for testing to come back negative. Why did they immediately rush to Dubai?  They boarded the flight as soon as test came back negative.  As per Mumbai Indians they are going to be quarantined for 6 days in Dubai.  Basically they will be there doing nothing. So there is more to the story.  

 

https://sports.ndtv.com/ipl-2021/ipl-2021-india-players-leave-manchester-for-dubai-after-testing-negative-for-covid-again-2537693

 

 

 

What's the point of staying in England once the tour is over?

[rollingstoned]

What would have happened if the match had gone ahead and say on day 3 one or 2 players end up testing +ve? What does the rulebook - hopefully updated - say in that case?

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Death from what none of the players were infected . Statistically they were are the same level of exposure when shastri got infected in fourth test . 
 

where was the fear of death then ? They played day 4 and 5 … 

If you think you won't die of covid, Go do cabaret dance in covid ward.