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53 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Have not gone through the whole thread but the question asked in OP is as valid as the following.

 

How would the whole situation have played out if ECB had not organized their latest shindig, The Hundred?

 

It's almost as if a few posters want us to believe IPL is less valuable than a random bilateral test match. ECB couldn't accommodate BCCI request on the Hundred, BCCI has no reasons, much less an obligation, to accommodate the ECB.

Every single report before the Test series had the revenues from the tour pegged at  20m pounds per test with the series worth 100m. Post 5th test cancellation, that number had gone upto 40m per test i.e. 200m for the entire series! 

 

if ECB is so much about commercial considerations and has sensible people in leadership, they'll count the money already made (50-60% more than they expected from the 5 tests) and will not be hell bent on destroying their relations with BCCI. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

I do believe BCCI has sufficient grounds to challenge any adverse decisions by the ICC. Better for ECB and especially the bitter English press to move on.

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1 hour ago, sarchasm said:

The 2018 tour of ENG had 3 ODIs and 3 T20s. So it's not the same as the current tour. India would likely have started the series mid July and be done with the tour before September commenced.

 

Regardless, the point is that IPL dates were fixed and they weren't going to be altered because ECB was too incompetent and Covid infested to organize a safe tour.

 

The equivalent limited overs series in the England schedule still existed this year, it was just played against Pakistan rather than India. The 2019 Ashes didn't have a limited overs series attached and also started in early August. It's the standard start date for a 5 match test series when it's the very last series of the summer regardles of whether the hundred exists or not.

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1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

 

Umm..see once again what you wrote. Happens when you are trying to invent excuses to defend double standards.

 

This was the ECB reaction when their own players had tested positive for covid before Pakistan LOIs in mid July, just 7 weeks back. This is Ashley Giles, ECB Director

 

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/england-odi-squad-in-isolation-after-covid-outbreak-20210706-p587fa.html

 

Note the tone then vs now.

 

 

 

I've looked again at what I've written, I've very clearly made reference to the short time period between the case within the squad and the time they'd have to travel by and the possibility of getting PCR tests done for the entire squad and results returned within that period. Nowhere have I made reference to a shortage of PCR tests as you've suggested. Would appreciate if you didn't try and put words in my mouth and then double down on the lie.

 

The tone hasn't changed at all, you've quite literally put in a bold a quote of having to work a way through the physical and mental pressures. The tour went ahead with the Indian touring party having the knowledge that the ECB had described cases this summer as "inevitable".

 

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1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Every single report before the Test series had the revenues from the tour pegged at  20m pounds per test with the series worth 100m. Post 5th test cancellation, that number had gone upto 40m per test i.e. 200m for the entire series! 

 

if ECB is so much about commercial considerations and has sensible people in leadership, they'll count the money already made (50-60% more than they expected from the 5 tests) and will not be hell bent on destroying their relations with BCCI. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

I do believe BCCI has sufficient grounds to challenge any adverse decisions by the ICC. Better for ECB and especially the bitter English press to move on.

 

The £20m is the value of just the broadcast deal per test on an average basis across the deal. On top of that there's then all the other forms of income that have been lost as a result of the test not going ahead as well as all the costs that would've been incurred by the morning of a test match going ahead.

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11 hours ago, figo6762 said:

Agreed . Thank you for having an intelligent conversation rather than attacking my perspective .

 

So I will isolate monitor myself and go back to work when it is mandated safe. 

 

My biggest problem is , lack of accountability and transparency. The team and BCCI owes fans like us a honest explanation, not conveniently go to uae to play ipl in hopes that ppl will forget this …  

 

In reality BCCi is a private body and not answerable to anyone. That said they only react when avg fan reacts and bottom line is today to an avg fan IPL matters more than a test win. 

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3 hours ago, Stumped said:

 

The equivalent limited overs series in the England schedule still existed this year, it was just played against Pakistan rather than India. The 2019 Ashes didn't have a limited overs series attached and also started in early August. It's the standard start date for a 5 match test series when it's the very last series of the summer regardles of whether the hundred exists or not.

Dude. You keep missing the point. Even the Pakistan series ended on July 20 and with an entirely different ENG squad fielded, India tests could have begun a week sooner than it did. India were twiddling their thumbs for a month in ENG because ECB thought the Hundred was worth it, worth rejecting BCCI's request, and worth pushing tests to the periphery of cricketing season. Don't try to cover that up with how the Indian series in 2018 and Ashes went.

 

IPL's schedule is more sacrosanct to BCCI and Indian fans that your precious ENG summer.

 

1. ECB were inflexible, stupidly so, in accommodating BCCI's request

2. Arrogant in pushing tests to the peripheral parts of the summer

3. Incompetent when it comes to Covid management

 

BCCI isn't going to suffer for any of that.

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51 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Dude. You keep missing the point. Even the Pakistan series ended on July 20 and with an entirely different ENG squad fielded, India tests could have begun a week sooner than it did. India were twiddling their thumbs for a month in ENG because ECB thought the Hundred was worth it, worth rejecting BCCI's request, and worth pushing tests to the periphery of cricketing season. Don't try to cover that up with how the Indian series in 2018 and Ashes went.

 

IPL's schedule is more sacrosanct to BCCI and Indian fans that your precious ENG summer.

 

1. ECB were inflexible, stupidly so, in accommodating BCCI's request

2. Arrogant in pushing tests to the peripheral parts of the summer

3. Incompetent when it comes to Covid management

 

BCCI isn't going to suffer for any of that.

 

I think you've completely missed my point. Yes, there was a gap between the end of the Pakistan series and start of the India series. If the hundred didn't exist though when the ECB scheduled the summer they wouldn't have shifted the India series backwards to fill that gap, they'd have shifted everything before it forwards to fill it keeping the India series with an early-August start like the previous 2 5 test series before the hundred existed.

 

In addition to that the dates for the series were agreed by both boards long before the rescheduled IPL dates were set. Why should the ECB have then been significantly impacted financially and logistically (along with English cricket fans) because of a last minute BCCI request?

 

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5 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Every single report before the Test series had the revenues from the tour pegged at  20m pounds per test with the series worth 100m. Post 5th test cancellation, that number had gone upto 40m per test i.e. 200m for the entire series! 

 

if ECB is so much about commercial considerations and has sensible people in leadership, they'll count the money already made (50-60% more than they expected from the 5 tests) and will not be hell bent on destroying their relations with BCCI. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

I do believe BCCI has sufficient grounds to challenge any adverse decisions by the ICC. Better for ECB and especially the bitter English press to move on.

English press reporting numbers as high as 75 million pounds.  Its all a PR game at this point.  

 

As much as I detest the useless inept BCCI babus who don't do their job well, ECB are even more venal and money-hungry than the BCCI.  Their corruption is primarily responsible for holding back development of international cricket.  

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52 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Dude. You keep missing the point. Even the Pakistan series ended on July 20 and with an entirely different ENG squad fielded, India tests could have begun a week sooner than it did. India were twiddling their thumbs for a month in ENG because ECB thought the Hundred was worth it, worth rejecting BCCI's request, and worth pushing tests to the periphery of cricketing season. Don't try to cover that up with how the Indian series in 2018 and Ashes went.

 

IPL's schedule is more sacrosanct to BCCI and Indian fans that your precious ENG summer.

 

1. ECB were inflexible, stupidly so, in accommodating BCCI's request

2. Arrogant in pushing tests to the peripheral parts of the summer

3. Incompetent when it comes to Covid management

 

BCCI isn't going to suffer for any of that.

 

 

Every cricket board out there knows the value of Indian tour, and they always want to milk it to the maximum possible profitable extent.  Ignorant fans have not yet understood the board room games that go on, and some of them keep living in the past, not recognizing the value that Indian cricketers bring to the table, for the health of the sport in their own country.  The entitlement pomposity is just par for the course when it comes to the 'commonwealth' cricket team and its 'fans'.

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

English press reporting numbers as high as 75 million pounds.  Its all a PR game at this point.  

 

As much as I detest the useless inept BCCI babus who don't do their job well, ECB are even more venal and money-hungry than the BCCI.  Their corruption is primarily responsible for holding back development of international cricket.  

 

That figure came from an Australian outlet and was in AUD, wouldn't be like you to be spreading false information though would it :phehe:.

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6 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

That figure came from an Australian outlet and was in AUD, wouldn't be like you to be spreading false information though would it :phehe:.

Could be, I just saw a headline.  I don't care enough about made up fake numbers to go and verify it.  But its interesting that you are quick to presume motives when presented with arguments that you disagree with.

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Could be, I just saw a headline.  I don't care enough about made up fake numbers to go and verify it.  But its interesting that you are quick to presume motives when presented with arguments that you disagree with.

You saw a headline from FoxSport with $75m in it and came to the conclusion that it was an English media outlet reporting a cost of £75m....?

 

It's fairly easy to presume motives when someone makes a repetitive habit of posting false/misleading information.

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9 minutes ago, Stumped said:

 

It's fairly easy to presume motives when someone makes a repetitive habit of posting false/misleading information.

 

Its fairly easy to throw out random personal attacks when you come up short in debate.  Feel free to presume away, it only makes an exhibit of your own intellect.

 

Fully expect you to turn tail and run away, as you normally do.

 

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