Serpico Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Can add India beating Pak in 1996 QF as surprise zen 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, zen said: On paper, Pak is relatively weak. One would be ok with thinking that Ind would win easily (and more likely result). But when such sentiments are high that is when the chances of an upset increase Some surprising events in the past: ODIs Ind beating WI in the final of ‘83 Aus beating Pak in SF of 87 Pak beating NZ twice in ‘92 WC In 1996, SL surprised but in hindsight it was a superior team to others and in its purple patch 1999 BD winning against Pak 2003 Kenya reaching SF 2007 Both Ind and Pak out in round 1 2011 No major surprises 2015 No major surprises 2019 NZ in final T20s 2007 Ind winning the T20 WC 2009 No major surprises 2010 Eng winning its first world title (was considered a choker like SA before) 2012 WI beating SL in SL 2014 SL beating a strong Ind 2016 No major surprises Why Pakistan beating Kiwis twice in 92 was a surprise? Pakistan always had their number. They were better than Kiwis at the time. Easily top 4 side. They only trouble us. We are Pakistan's bogey team in world cups. Weird how it all works. Link to comment
zen Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Jay said: Why Pakistan beating Kiwis twice in 92 was a surprise? Pakistan always had their number. They were better than Kiwis at the time. Easily top 4 side. Buddy, you need to study the tournament and also know that 92 was probably the first time Pak-NZ met in a knockout game. Similarly, Ind and Pak met for the first time in world cups in 92. Even in 1996, Ind beating Pak was a surprise for many (in 2021, it is easy to write stuff like Ind is Pak bogey team). Link to comment
diga Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, zen said: Buddy, you need to study the tournament and also know that 92 was probably the first time Pak-NZ met in a knockout game. Similarly, Ind and Pak met for the first time in world cups in 92. Even in 1996, Ind beating Pak was a surprise for many (in 2021, it is easy to write stuff like Ind is Pak bogey team). Pak gave a debut to Inzamam, probably their greatest middle order batsmen in 1992 and his innings contributed to Pak's spectacular run in the tournament... he played a key role in both NZ matches Link to comment
zen Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, diga said: Pak gave a debut to Inzamam, probably their greatest middle order batsmen in 1992 and his innings contributed to Pak's spectacular run in the tournament... he played a key role in both NZ matches Inzi even did well in the final v Eng … had a brilliant WC debut! Link to comment
Jay Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, zen said: Buddy, you need to study the tournament and also know that 92 was probably the first time Pak-NZ met in a knockout game. Similarly, Ind and Pak met for the first time in world cups in 92. Even in 1996, Ind beating Pak was a surprise for many (in 2021, it is easy to write stuff like Ind is Pak bogey team). Answer this question buddy. Was Pakistan not a better side than n.z in 92? So no surprises to me they beat n.z. India beating Pakistan in a crucial encounter back in 96 is a surprise to an extent. If you actually look back at the records, India were a pretty good odi side from 94-96 ish. There was a 2 year period where India did well in odi. So not really a surprise. Surprise was beating them in 99. Link to comment
zen Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, Jay said: Answer this question buddy. Was Pakistan not a better side than n.z in 92? So no surprises to me they beat n.z. Do your own research esp. what happened in the tournament. Link to comment
Jay Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, zen said: Do your own research esp. what happened in the tournament. Dont need to do research. Look at the teams. Compare them. Watch the performances prior to the WC. No surprises here at all. Pakistan was a good odi side in 90s. They were the only ones capable of competing with Aussies and saffers back in the odi format at the time. Link to comment
zen Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, Jay said: Dont need to do research. Look at the teams. Compare them. Watch the performances prior to the WC. No surprises here at all. Pakistan was a good odi side in 90s. They were the only ones capable of competing with Aussies and saffers back in the odi format at the time. Not interested. Link to comment
Jay Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, zen said: Not interested. Uh ok. Pakistan beat them in the group stage too before the KO stages. Again, no surprise. They also beat them in a series before the WC. No surprise. In saying that, Pakistan was lucky in the WC. They should have lost to England. Match got rained out. Doesn't mean they aren't better than Kiwis Link to comment
zen Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Uh ok. Pakistan beat them in the group stage too before the KO stages. Again, no surprise. They also beat them in a series before the WC. No surprise. In saying that, Pakistan was lucky in the WC. They should have lost to England. Match got rained out. Doesn't mean they aren't better than Kiwis Again, not interested in random stuff. Note that there are posters here who have watched every ball of that tournament. Lord 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, zen said: Again, not interested in random stuff. Note that there are posters here who have watched every ball of that tournament. How is it random? Ask yourself this question. Was Pakistan a better side or not compared to Kiwis. Kiwis were playing Australia and n.z. ofcourse they can do reasonably well. Pakistan beat them in bilaterals and then twice in the world cup. No surprise here. Only surprise here is you calling it a surprise. Link to comment
RajBan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay said: Dont need to do research. Look at the teams. Compare them. Watch the performances prior to the WC. No surprises here at all. Pakistan was a good odi side in 90s. They were the only ones capable of competing with Aussies and saffers back in the odi format at the time. Believe it or not they were not better than NZ team of 92. That team was special. Pak was actually going through transition and their form was pretty bad. A mix of luck and some great individual performances helped them to win the WC. The Pak team of 87 or 99 was far superior and clear favourites on the day. Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jay said: Answer this question buddy. Was Pakistan not a better side than n.z in 92? So no surprises to me they beat n.z. India beating Pakistan in a crucial encounter back in 96 is a surprise to an extent. If you actually look back at the records, India were a pretty good odi side from 94-96 ish. There was a 2 year period where India did well in odi. So not really a surprise. Surprise was beating them in 99. Pakistan had a shocker of a tourney at the start in 1992. Them reaching SF was a shocker to most sides. Then Inzi played a gem of inns.. Real clutch. Only if Kiwis winning the World cup in 2019 would match that turn around. Edited October 22, 2021 by Lone Wolf Link to comment
Serpico Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 if the pitches trend continues like this, toss will be big factor. I don't think we will get more than 170-180 if we bat first on these decks. ideal chasing score for babar-rizwan sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 24, 2021 Author Share Posted October 24, 2021 Great performance by Pak v India ... Usually zen master's institutions (developed through studying a variety of subjects and spotting connections) are spot on Link to comment
Serpico Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 6:16 PM, Serpico said: if the pitches trend continues like this, toss will be big factor. I don't think we will get more than 170-180 if we bat first on these decks. ideal chasing score for babar-rizwan As expected toss turned out to be huge Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 6:16 PM, Serpico said: if the pitches trend continues like this, toss will be big factor. I don't think we will get more than 170-180 if we bat first on these decks. ideal chasing score for babar-rizwan Damn...spot on Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 9/19/2021 at 1:08 PM, sensible-indian said: Won't be surprised if they do. Either they will come all guns blazing or play horribly. All I am concerned about is our World T20 streak against them. As long as we win that game, I don't care if we lose every other game. Will help us in the long run. Expected. Adi_91 1 Link to comment
zen Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 Pak completes the double of Ind and NZ Link to comment
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