Ravichandran Ashwin Revolted Against Virat Kohli And Complained To The BCCI- Reports

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

 

If conditions are such that they pick 3 spinners and 6 batsmen and WK and go with only 1 pacer and decide to drop bumrah and instead go with umesh or shami or siraj ,then it isn't that big an issue but if they drop a spinner let's say axar or some other 3rd spinner and pick bumrah that wouldnt be right.

 

 

We were exposed in 2014 and 18 as well ,why couldn't Ashwin bowl out a team that struggles against Ireland? pacers did their job that's why we won else would have struggled again .

 

In the last 10 years Indian bowlers in England

Ashwin missed out on golden chance  to feast on this rubbish batting line up.  Despite that his average is no worse than  Shami/Jadeja. Jaddu's strike rate 96.8. Ashwin 66.7.  

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Why couldn't he bowl them out for under 100 like Ireland as you pointed out ,are Irish pacers are better than him?

 

I am talking about current England side. Not the one that played 3 years back.  Second of all his current overseas form is much better. Why couldn't shami do that?

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

He could have been picked in place of jadeja but if we played 2 spinners we would have struggled again.

 

So you admit a better bowler was left out in order to cover the piss-poor average of our middle order in England?  At the oval there was a strong case for 2 spinners. Conditions are tailor made for spinners. As Warne said during oval test "You don't pick a side for first day of test match". 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

He is avg 32 vs eng in eng and almost all are left handers.

 

Kohli said Jadeja was preferred because he would be a better bet against left handers :)

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, MultiB48 said:

Warne always hypes up spinners, that's his thing.Tell me how often spinners won us matches at the oval or in other grounds in eng ,we always had so many of them .

 

We have won only 2 tests in oval in the history including this one. One was due to spin way back in the 70s. lol So pacers didn't help either for decades to win a test. LIttle info. Bumrah averages 34 at the oval. Sreesanth 32.  Kapil dev 47  Zaheer 42. Jadeja 33. Kumble is the lone exception. Toothless on flat pitches. He himself made a 100. 

 

Let us look at other bowlers

 

Warne 4 tests 32 wicekts

Murali 1 test 16 wickets

Qadir 1 test 10 wickets

 

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Because of the footmarks in the 2md inning.1st inning Ashwin would have been better.

 

Yes. I think you know Ashwin would have been a better choice. But because of the result you are trying to justify. Not like Ashwin was a terrible batsman. He has recently regained his batting touch as well. More runs than Rahane in the last few tests.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Our pacers have been ordinary over the years but even they have won us matches in these conditions and pacers aren't like spinners that one can do the job ,you need a pack of them specially in a long series.

 

You don't blindly play 4 pacers every Test in England. You have to remember we got away with selection blunders due to some tailender batting. This formula would have been an epic fail if Shami/Bumrah didn't add those runs thanks to stupid revenge plan by England at Lords. Same way Thakur saved us. Those extra runs saved us. Our tail got ripped open by NZ time and again which is why we could not win a single test against them despite loading the side with pacers. 

Edited October 1, 2021 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

India vs NZ recent performance.  4 tests all oversea.   pacer friendly conditions. Look who didn't suck.

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

With a strong bowling performance they were in that situation ,else that partnership would not have made a difference.

 

Ashwin hasn't won us anything either ,and he is very injury prone whenever he tries to put action on the ball ,maybe would have lasted 2 matches in this series.

 

Indian recent wins were due to collective bowling effort. Apart from Bumrah a couple of times and Ishant a couple of times mostly collective effort.

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

That due to wtc ,that's one of his best performance ever in sena but still couldn't run through the opposition.

 

 

lol How many overs he bowled. How do you expect him to run through a side in swinging conditions.  He did the best he could do. Better than some of the seamers. You have to hold the same standard for all not pick and choose.

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

I said but because you posted that stat ,even Umesh has similar stats in eng due to the last test.

 

Umesh does well on pitches like Indian pitches. Drier surfaces. Oval was a dry pitch. Pitches that suit spinners more.  4 seamers was an overkill. Only 2 were effective.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

Ashwin averages better than Bumrah in England(means nothing to be honest). His favourite among SENA contries is England. Plus he is mature enough to bowl everywhere irrespective of the conditions. I believe in having 5-6 horses for courses, 5-6 players need to play every match, and Ashwin should be one of them. Resting him for first two matches was fine, but it was a mistake not give him any match.

 

How many matches had Shami won in England before this series? A great player is a great player irrespective of his past performance. Not saying he should have played all matches but dropping him was an unnecessary move to look 'bold'. He could have replaced Jadeja and outperformed him.

Ashwin is a good bowler,but saying he can't be replaced overseas at this point of time is like staying away from reality

6-7 years ago it would have made sense as we didn't this inform pace bowling options,

Sure Shami didn't have best of the times in England,but Ashwin replacing him against the likes of Thakur,Siraj,Umesh was never possible

He surely wasn't competing with Jadeja as TM needed that batting cushion at 7,he failed with the bat is another thing,but he was playing for his batting ability and churn out economical overs

Ashwin was always competing against pacers,no captain would have let Ashwin play and bench any of these pacers and eventually we were leading 2-1

Edited October 1, 2021 by Suhaan

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

at last Kohli was proved right

Nah, India was slight favourite. See ex-cricketers predictions. With Ben Stokes out, it was obvious. Ashwin or no Ashwin, India was the stronger team.

 

11 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

He surely wasn't competing with Jadeja as TM needed that batting cushion at 7,he failed with the bat is another thing,but he was playing for his batting ability and churn out economical overs.

If Jadeja was preferred for his batting, he should have batted at 5. He bats better when he has no pressure of hitting. Shardul was there to provide that balance in two matches. Though I agree that selection becomes confusing when when none of your top 6 can bowl.

[Chakdephatte]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

That due to wtc ,that's one of his best performance ever in sena but still couldn't run through the opposition.

 

And so what. No one delivers every match. Should I say Bumrah is just average in England if you remove that Trent Bridge test?

 

If Ashwin did that in WTC final, he can do it again.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Chakdephatte

[vvvslaxman]

30 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Eng dry pitches aren't like ind ones,there is hardly any turn off the straight and Ashwin can't aim for footmarks either,name one time when he bowled out the opposition in the 3rd 4th inning outside asia.

 

 You have clearly not seen enough of Ashwin despite he has got over 400 wickets. A lot of time his turning of the ball the other way around fetches him wickets. He is at the top of his game with controlled variations.  Australian pitches, kookaburra balls are even less conducive to finger spinners than Duke at oval. 

 

 

 

[Chakdephatte]

19 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Bumrah is not ideal for eng conditions either ,he is a hit the deck bowler,you want quality swing bowlers to lead your attack here. Bumrah ideally should be for variation and drier and harder conditions.

Bumrah is the top contendor for MOTS this series. Was our strike bowler, wrecker-in-chief in one test, partnership breaker in other three. Siraj will solve this swing bowler problem once he improves his fitness.

Are there good young(20-25) genuine swing bowlers in India.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Chakdephatte

[vvvslaxman]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Bumrah is not ideal for eng conditions either ,he is a hit the deck bowler,you want quality swing bowlers to lead your attack here . Bumrah ideally should be for variation and drier and harder conditions.

 

That is not how you build a team. Randomly sit out top performers based on theories. You back your bowlers who is at the top of their game to do well everywhere.  Quizzically this theory is applied only for bowlers who are doing a fabulous job these days home and away. But batsmen get a free pass despite some players suck in specific conditions for dogs years.  

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, MultiB48 said:

I have seen enough of him ,but have you checked the video you posted,ponting explains it and I agree with him lol.

 

That was just to show how he bagged Smith's wicket. That was not a turning ball.  

[vvvslaxman]

Jaddu ended up with an average of 45 and batting average of 21.  Thankfully Thakur's average of 39 saved the excuse of including Jaddu over Ashwin. 

[vvvslaxman]

20 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

Just a straight ball ,he just played for the turn and edged it 

 

That was overspun and kicked off the pitch. It was not ordinary straight ball. You don't fool a guy like SMith with "straight" ball.