Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Try_Ball said: I am sure there would have been some degree of consensus - when you have a country of the size of India with a billion perspectives -how can you really take everybody on board? It isn't always the magnitude for example if a country let's say impose conscription into Army - Turkey, France , Sweden many have it. Now a law like that affects the whole population of the country - everyone is a stakeholder and if a consensus is tried to be built around that - you'd never get people supporting that as a practice as you'd have to send your child away whether you like it or not but countries do enforce these laws. even the US does not really build consensus over things like Gun Laws or Border Wall etc. or backing away from the Paris agreement . Farm laws were rushed and not debated. If opposition won they would have overturned those. Now if opposition wins 370 will not be overturned. In India you require patience and consensus. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: Yes, it hurts, but you live in India where Khalistanis rule roost and stubble burners choke the capital, you are celebrating with a Enjoy your state in MVA Screw khalistanis. This is farmers protest. Your aim is to cause division and your playbook is poor. Under_Score, coffee_rules, Vancouver and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Yes, it hurts, but you live in India where Khalistanis rule roost and stubble burners choke the capital, you are celebrating with a Enjoy your state in MVA Once again can you answer the question what is the contribution of stubble burning. How long have you lived in Delhi to know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigg Brother Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Didn't know zilch about any laws. But yeah Modi ji ne kiya hai to achha hi hoga.. Banton, Dery, Under_Score and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: Once again can you answer the question what is the contribution of stubble burning. How long have you lived in Delhi to know anything. Read what the SC verdict says on stubble burning. They defy it and BJP relented to the polluting farmers. Choke in your Delhi air now. This is what NASA says too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: Read what the SC verdict says on stubble burning. They defy it and BJP relented to the polluting farmers. Choke in your Delhi air now. This is what NASA says too This was a simple question. What percentage of pollution is contributed by stubble burning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Khota said: Farm laws were rushed and not debated. If opposition won they would have overturned those. Now if opposition wins 370 will not be overturned. In India you require patience and consensus. Isn't there a minimum number of votes that any legislation needs to have in order to be passed within the Parliament ? I'm sure it must have passed through the house of commons through some procedure. Where I do not agree with you is building a consensus with the relevant parties - Is that ideal ? Yes , Is it possible in a realistic world ? No When you are enacting any laws or legislation or bills - There would never be a case where all the relevant parties are 100 % happy with the outcome. In any transaction or business outcome, there will be some parties who would walk out thinking they got the worst end of the stick. Having a Farming related bill or legislation where both the Farmers and the country is happy and fulfills the needs for both the relevant parties is near impossible. In most negotiations, the sticking point is usually financial. If the farmer's are getting a better financial outcome - of course they'd be happier but it may or may not be in the best interest of the country in the long run. If the government or the administration passes a legislation then the farmers might lose on some financial gains. One party would always feel they got the short end of the stick. But the onus is on the government here - to do what's best for a country in the long run, not the farmers ( or any profession/ trades for that matter). Their focus is entirely on getting a better deal for themselves. A student would disagree and oppose a bill that increases their University fee by 10% because that's his primary focus, not how the extra financial clout of the Govt might help in the economic growth of the country - That's not the student's concern. If the govt. felt the laws were better for the country- They should have never been revoked and should have stuck with them . If they weren't in the best interest of the country - they shouldn't have been put in place. Edited November 19, 2021 by Try_Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Khota said: Screw khalistanis. This is farmers protest. Your aim is to cause division and your playbook is poor. It wasn't just a famer's protest and I can tell you that for sure. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Khota said: This was a simple question. What percentage of pollution is contributed by stubble burning? Read up yourself, meanwhile choke in Delhi air and follow diktats of not burning firecrackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Yes, it hurts, but you live in India where Khalistanis rule roost and stubble burners choke the capital, you are celebrating with a Enjoy your state in MVA Arey bhai sudar jao... Charo taraf se zaleel kar Raha aapko aapka mudiji Vancouver, Under_Score and Dery 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: Isn't there a minimum number of votes that any legislation needs to have in order to be passed within the Parliament ? I'm sure it must have passed through the house of commons through some procedure. Where I do not agree with you is building a consensus with the relevant parties - Is that ideal ? Yes , Is it possible in a realistic world ? No When you are enacting any laws or legislation or bills - There would never be a case where all the relevant parties are 100 % happy with the outcome. In any transaction or business outcome, there will be some parties who would walk out thinking they got the worst end of the stick. Having a Farming related bill or legislation where both the Farmers and the country is happy and fulfills the needs for both the relevant parties is near impossible. In most negotiations, the sticking point is usually financial. If the farmer's are getting a better financial outcome - of course they'd be happier but it may or may not be in the best interest of the country in the long run. If the government or the administration passes a legislation then the farmers might lose on some financial gains. One party would always feel they got the short end of the stick. But the onus is on the government here - to do what's best for a country in the long run, not the farmers ( or any profession/ trades for that matter). Their focus is entirely on getting a better deal for themselves. A student would disagree and oppose a bill that increases their University fee by 10% because that's his primary focus, not how the extra financial clout of the Govt might help in the economic growth of the country - That's not the student's concern. If the govt. felt the laws were better for the country- They should have never been revoked and should have stuck with them . If they weren't in the best interest of the country - they shouldn't have been put in place. Unfortunately in democracy govt. Loos at their vote bank. If it does not affect who votes for them they try to get those Bill's passed. That was the thought process behind this bill It misfired and here we are. Modi is smart and he knew when to cut his losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Read up yourself, meanwhile choke in Delhi air and follow diktats of not burning firecrackers I read it. You did not. Don't let facts and figures get in the way of your diatribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: It wasn't just a famer's protest and I can tell you that for sure. It was a farmers protest and they went out of way to keep politics out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: I read it. You did not. Don't let facts and figures get in the way of your diatribe. You will be held in contempt of SC if you deny their verdict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: Unfortunately in democracy govt. Loos at their vote bank. If it does not affect who votes for them they try to get those Bill's passed. That was the thought process behind this bill It misfired and here we are. Modi is smart and he knew when to cut his losses. My point was that the Bills/laws would have been voted on passed in the Indian parliament before being implemented. Secondly, consensus shouldn't be dependent on the affected party - You wouldn't ask a butcher about building consensus on banning slaughter houses, would you? As these laws had economic implications - If in the long run they were beneficial for the country - They shouldn't have been removed. And if they weren't good for the economic outlook - They shouldn't have been put in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Khota said: It was a farmers protest and they went out of way to keep politics out of it. You couldn't be more wrong about this. Especially from an overseas perspective, you have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, speedheat said: Arey bhai sudar jao... Charo taraf se zaleel kar Raha aapko aapka mudiji Tujhko mudi ke alawa kuch soojta hain kya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: You will be held in contempt of SC if you deny their verdict No one is denying their verdict. What percentage did SC said it was and what SC said is the truth and correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 If farmers are happy with it then lets accept it and move on. Chalo sab log ghar jao. UCC ke time milenge. Under_Score, Khota and speedheat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: You couldn't be more wrong about this. Especially from an overseas perspective, you have no idea. There was some support but it was mostly organic movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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