Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: My point was that the Bills/laws would have been voted on passed in the Indian parliament before being implemented. Secondly, consensus shouldn't be dependent on the affected party - You wouldn't ask a butcher about building consensus on banning slaughter houses, would you? As these laws had economic implications - If in the long run they were beneficial for the country - They shouldn't have been removed. And if they weren't good for the economic outlook - They shouldn't have been put in place Farming is subsidized everywhere in the world. They were targeting a section of population that was not their vote bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Khota said: There was some support but it was mostly organic movement. I don't know about India and what the ground reality there but I can tell from overseas - it was quite an orchestrated movement which was not focused on the farmers or the laws but more focused on India as a country and to demean it. The Indian govt could be a genius here by taking away the ammunition from Anti-India folks here by this issue ending, but we'd never know speedheat and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, MultiB48 said: Great victory for the brave nihangs ,hindu sarkar ki dhoti utar gayi. Mods can you delete these bullshit commentd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: I don't know about India and what the ground reality there but I can tell from overseas - it was quite an orchestrated movement which was not focused on the farmers or the laws but more focused on India as a country and to demean it. The Indian govt could be a genius here by taking away the ammunition from Anti-India folks here by this issue ending, but we'd never know comments. Saying there were opportunist folks involved but in the end it was affecting the way of life of millions of farmers. Farmers may not be educated but neither are they stupid. I doubt if they can be that easily manipulated. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Try_Ball said: I don't know about India and what the ground reality there but I can tell from overseas - it was quite an orchestrated movement which was not focused on the farmers or the laws but more focused on India as a country and to demean it. The Indian govt could be a genius here by taking away the ammunition from Anti-India folks here by this issue ending, but we'd never know The Indian government should not repeal (or pass) laws so that a handful of anti India protesters have no carpet under their feet. The Indian government exists to govern India and to better the lot of Indians in India. Not to address grievances, real or perceived, of 3rd generation Indians in Canada/ UK. Edited November 19, 2021 by Mariyam coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Khota said: comments. Saying there were opportunist folks involved but in the end it was affecting the way of life of millions of farmers. Farmers may not be educated but neither are they stupid. I doubt if they can be that easily manipulated. Farmer's consensus was not asked for to hijack their movement. The Anti-India forces were using this to push their agenda - Farmer's knowledge or agreement to this wasn't needed Edited November 19, 2021 by Try_Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mariyam said: The Indian government should not repeal (or pass) laws so that a handful of anti India protesters have no carpet under their feet. The Indian government is to govern India and to better the lot of Indians in India. Not to address grievances, real or perceived, of 3rd generation Indians in Canada/ UK. This movement had nothing to do with overseas folks. This was affecting way of life of half a billion people. Sunil_narine024 and Under_Score 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mariyam said: The Indian government should not repeal (or pass) laws so that a handful of anti India protesters have no carpet under their feet. The Indian government is to govern India and to better the lot of Indians in India. Not to address grievances, real or perceived, of 3rd generation Indians in Canada/ UK. But the Indian government did repeal them. So either they were not in the betterment in the first place or they have been revoked now to focus on the bigger picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Try_Ball said: Farmer's consensus was not asked for to hijack their movement. The Anti-India forces were using this to push their agenda - Farmer's knowledge or agreement to this was needed Repealing the farm laws helps Indian farmers which is a good strategy to begin with. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Try_Ball said: But the Indian government did repeal them. So either they were not in the betterment in the first place or they have been revoked now to focus on the bigger picture These laws were not right to begin with. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: This movement had nothing to do with overseas folks. This was affecting way of life of half a billion people. It indeed had nothing to do with overseas folks but this movement and Anti-India agenda was overtaken by the overseas folks. That exactly is what you are missing and unless you are in the midst of it, you would not know it. The issue was India's internal matter - but opportunistic people who have been quite vocally anti-India did tried to overtake it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Khota said: These laws were not right to begin with. I wouldn't know. But from what I see, not everyone agrees to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Try_Ball said: But the Indian government did repeal them. So either they were not in the betterment in the first place or they have been revoked now to focus on the bigger picture Look, I am not an expert of any sort on agriculture/ agricultural practices. My rudimentary understanding is that the 3 bills were focused towards long term benefit of the farmer folk. And the nation at large. Not very different from adopting the GST. Long term benefit, but with a lot of short term difficulties for some people. In a democracy you can't afford to antagonise your voter base for that long. That is a curse that this type of a system of government would always suffer from. dial_100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondSlip Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Banton said: Nrc ko bhi waapis krne ke liye We need to do same kind of protests like haryanvi and punjabis did. Keep dreaming porkchop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Banton said: Nrc ko bhi waapis krne ke liye We need to do same kind of protests like haryanvi and punjabis did. 5 minutes ago, Banton said: Nrc ko bhi waapis krne ke liye We need to do same kind of protests like haryanvi and punjabis did. You meant CAA, go ahead communist aaptard liberal like speedheat will always be with....tod denge fenku Ko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Try_Ball Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, Mariyam said: Look, I am not an expert of any sort on agriculture/ agricultural practices. My rudimentary understanding is that the 3 bills were focused towards long term benefit of the farmer folk. And the nation at large. Not very different from adopting the GST. Long term benefit, but with a lot of short term difficulties for some people. In a democracy you can't afford to antagonise your voter base for that long. That is a curse that this type of a system of government would always suffer from. and that's a shame. When you are leading a country with such a huge population , You cannot go around people pleasing and building consensus If the bills were in benefit of the farmer's in the long run then they shouldn't have been taken back. Anti-India people would always try to use one excuse over the other but if you focus only on the domestic vote bank then you cannot implement any changes and then you'll always be status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Great victory for the brave nihangs ,hindu sarkar ki dhoti utar gayi. Teri kaccha utaregi jab Momta ya RaGa PM banega. Tab jeet manalena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 This also means NRC is never happening... Sarkaar is phattu of highest order. Signs were clear when modi was silent on hindu killings in Bengal. Oldie should be kicked out in next elections & sent to Himalayas. Nitin Gadkari vs RaGa as PM seems apt in 2024... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, MultiB48 said: i am voting for owaisi BJP B team. tq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonbeliever Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, speedheat said: @Under_Score @Nonbeliever We won finally!! Yes..Sad it took so much precisious lives. With this modi has also made a major political blunder. Will haunt him forever. Hopefully we will see future laws that will benefit all the parties. Edited November 19, 2021 by Nonbeliever speedheat and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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