Rohit Sharma: I want middle order to prepare for '10 for 3' situations

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

He failed in first two matches of this World T20, the middle order couldn't rescue us. He failed in World Cup semi-final, the middle order couldn't rescue us. So, he is right. Middle order needs practice. Pretty sure if he didn't score those 5 centuries, India would have failed to reach semis in 2019.

 

Can't blame someone for a few failures when has performed in so many matches, can't expect him to win every match alone. It's not like he has never scored in play-offs, he has a hundred in Champions trophy.

v Bangladesh,woh bhi mention karo

[Chakdephatte]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

v Bangladesh,woh bhi mention karo

He was not chasing 150. India could have still lost if he had not scored, unlikely though. He doesn't have the luxury to choose his own opponent.

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

He was not chasing 150. India could have still lost if he had not scored, unlikely though. He doesn't have the luxury to choose his own opponent.

 

'he' was not chasing 350 either. And it was BD. It wasnt as if he only scored. Dhawan and Kohli both did well.

 

Three days later scored a grand duck in the final. So not making use of form. Same with  Kohli.

 

When last did he score v top 8 team in knockout?Atleast Virat bossed 2014 and 2016 WT20s and did well v Eng in CT final 2013

[sarcastic]

22 minutes ago, Lord said:

v Bangladesh,woh bhi mention karo

so what?

 

if you loose to bd, it's a bigger shame.

 

[sarcastic]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

'he' was not chasing 350 either. And it was BD. It wasnt as if he only scored. Dhawan and Kohli both did well.

 

Three days later scored a grand duck in the final. So not making use of form. Same with  Kohli.

 

When last did he score v top 8 team in knockout?Atleast Virat bossed 2014 and 2016 WT20s and did well v Eng in CT final 2013

bd coming to Sf means they are in top 4 of the tournament. 

[sarcastic]

46 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

then why doesnt he bat in middle order. There are plenty of options for opening

I m pretty sure that's what he will do if the team can benefit from it.

 

And the discussion in here is about hos captaincy and not batsmanship. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by sarcastic

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

so what?

 

if you loose to bd, it's a bigger shame.

 

 

that suggests they are easier opponents

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

bd coming to Sf means they are in top 4 of the tournament. 

 

no low ranked teams can cause upset in league stage and enter knockouts but once there its different pressure.

 

Same thing happened to Kenya 2003 WC.

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

I m pretty sure that's what he will do if the team can benefit from it.

 

And the discussion in here is about hos captaincy and not batsmanship. 

 

The discussion is about actions matching with words.

 

If he does it,it'll be great. It'll benefit him too as he wont have to face left arm swing first up.

[sarcastic]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

that suggests they are easier opponents

easier by prev reputation of Bangladesh but they did well in the tournament to reach there.

 

My point is if they reached sf or if in an icc tournament, they are strong enough to reach there. And also Bangladesh cannot be eternally a minnow. They have improved leaps and bounds in ODI cricket. 

 

 

Yet winning against them is important for India in any  icc knockout and loosing is bad given their fans trolling. india will try not being that team to avoid that slander.

 

A performance against them in such context is as good as one against a historically better ranked team.

[sarcastic]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

no low ranked teams can cause upset in league stage and enter knockouts but once there its different pressure.

 

Same thing happened to Kenya 2003 WC.

Yes, but as I said in a previous post, Bangladesh as an odi team is consistently on the rise. you can sneak into playoffs just once and not twice and more.

[Lord]

9 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

easier by prev reputation of Bangladesh but they did well in the tournament to reach there.

 

My point is if they reached sf or if in an icc tournament, they are strong enough to reach there. And also Bangladesh cannot be eternally a minnow. They have improved leaps and bounds in ODI cricket. 

 

 

Yet winning against them is important for India in any  icc knockout and loosing is bad given their fans trolling. india will try not being that team to avoid that slander.

 

A performance against them in such context is as good as one against a historically better ranked team.

 

they are still minnows outside home. A victory against them is very much expected.

 

Performances against tougher team and tougher bowling attacks in knockouts will always be rated higher.

[sarcastic]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

they are still minnows outside home. A victory against them is very much expected.

 

Performances against tougher team and tougher bowling attacks in knockouts will always be rated higher.

Well, I will rate any peformance by batman/bowler if it comes in an ICC knockout. 
If it is BD, then the performance does not matter is not the right attitude when the team passing an ICC knockout is at stake.

I will not undermine  such as performance because it is less reputable team.

And your point is valid when we compare a similar performance by someone else in an ICC knockout against a tougher team and tougher bowling attack. Unfortunately, I don't seem to remember any performance like that from any Indian player in ODI cricket since 2011 world cup.

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

Well, I will rate any peformance by batman/bowler if it comes in an ICC knockout. 
If it is BD, then the performance does not matter is not the right attitude when the team passing an ICC knockout is at stake.

I will not undermine  such as performance because it is less reputable team.

And your point is valid when we compare a similar performance by someone else in an ICC knockout against a tougher team and tougher bowling attack. Unfortunately, I don't seem to remember any performance like that from any Indian player in ODI cricket since 2011 world cup.

 

Kohli saved us in CT 2013 final and did well in two WT20 knockouts.Doesnt have to be a ton.

[sarcastic]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Kohli saved us in CT 2013 final and did well in two WT20 knockouts.Doesnt have to be a ton.

I agree with T20s, he has done it. In CT 2013 it was a virtual T20. But nothing to take away from that too.
That England of 2013 is also not a good ODI side with a test specialist Cook leading them. They did well in the tournament to reach Finals and hence the performance of Virat can be termed good but not because it is England.

Similarly, BD of 2015 WC or CT 2017 are pretty good and were able to reach until knockouts because they played good cricket. Similarly, I don't rate Rohit Sharma's knocks against them any lesser than Kohli's CT knock.

Edited December 11, 2021 by sarcastic

[Chakdephatte]

Maybe I am overthinking. But this can be the reason for Sending SKY and Pant to open. They are virtual openers in collapse situations.

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Maybe I am overthinking. But this can be the reason for Sending SKY and Pant to open. They are virtual openers in collapse situations.

 

yes has to be.

 

Eventually top 3 will be the same. It'll benefit if these three also try to bat outside top 3 in these games

[vvvslaxman]

18 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

Maybe I am overthinking. But this can be the reason for Sending SKY and Pant to open. They are virtual openers in collapse situations.

 

Another reason is having so many floaters can keep the opposition guessing. You never know who will bat where as an opposition.

[Chakdephatte]

On 8/7/2022 at 3:38 PM, vvvslaxman said:

Another reason is having so many floaters can keep the opposition guessing. You never know who will bat where as an opposition.

 

Everyone will bat at their usual positions. But maybe in exceptional cases, we can send Pant to handle Shaheen, Boult, etc. But one thing is clear, the TM is not making random changes, every experiment has some explanation.

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 8/6/2022 at 11:14 AM, Chakdephatte said:

Maybe I am overthinking. But this can be the reason for Sending SKY and Pant to open. They are virtual openers in collapse situations.

2 reasons

•  backup opener within squad so they dont have to take extra players and kishen hsnt helped his chances
• Plan-B , if needed we may see KL drop down the order and one of them goes up