Away stats of Fab Four vs top nations - SENAI

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

 

No.

 

SRT and Lara faced some of the greatest bowlers of all time during their career.

 

Go through the two best bowlers of the opposition they faced. Its daylight inbetween them and todays bowlers.

 

WI was still a formidable team in the 90s too.

 

Rabada

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

 

South Africas' greatest bowling attack. 

 

Name a bowling lineup better than this which SRT faced

It's total hogwash that modern bowlers are any lesser than those whom SRT faced. 

Similarly 

 

Anderson 

Broad 

Woakes

 

This attack is better than any English bowling attack SRT faced. 

 

Cummins

Hazelwood 

Starc 

Yet another ATG attack

 

As I said hogwash. 

 

Jamieson

Boult

Southee

Wagner

Kiwis greatest bowling attack ever. 

 

Bumrah

Shami

Siraj

Ishant

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

India's greatest bowling attack. 

 

This is the era of great  bowlers

Don't peddle lies just to hype up your favourite players

 

 

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Adamant

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Disagree with that. Bowlers now are arguably better. 

Definitely. 

There's no doubt about this. 

 

Some posters here are enslaved by their nostalgia. 

This era is definitely amongst the toughest era for batsman. 

Every other team has one ATG and a borderline ATG. 

[Adamant]

36 minutes ago, Jay said:

Can't compare across eras but sachhu was great across 2 different eras which needs to be respected. 

 

He did well vs mcgrath and then nearing his end, he had a great second peak vs 

 

When did that happen.? Can you show some stats.? 

He was Mcgrath's and Andersons' bunny. 

[Jay]

43 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Definitely. 

There's no doubt about this. 

 

Some posters here are enslaved by their nostalgia. 

This era is definitely amongst the toughest era for batsman. 

Every other team has one ATG and a borderline ATG. 

Absolutely. Srt supporters will claim hullabullah oh maaa gawd bowlers are way better in 90s to make him look better than he really is. Srt is possibly the goat but bowling is miles ahead now without a doubt. 

 

You could be saying that too to make kohli look God loool but I do agree, bowlers are much better now. Every team has quality bowling. Batting though is ehhhhh.

[Jay]

41 minutes ago, Adamant said:

When did that happen.? Can you show some stats.? 

He was Mcgrath's and Andersons' bunny. 

2001 and 99. Dint he do pretty well? 44 and 46 average. That's quite good. 

 

I agree Andy made him a bunny. He did thwart steyn though. 

[Jay]

57 minutes ago, Adamant said:

 

Rabada

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

 

South Africas' greatest bowling attack. 

 

Name a bowling lineup better than this which SRT faced

It's total hogwash that modern bowlers are any lesser than those whom SRT faced. 

Similarly 

 

Anderson 

Broad 

Woakes

 

This attack is better than any English bowling attack SRT faced. 

 

Cummins

Hazelwood 

Starc 

Yet another ATG attack

 

As I said hogwash. 

 

Jamieson

Boult

Southee

Wagner

Kiwis greatest bowling attack ever. 

 

Bumrah

Shami

Siraj

Ishant

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

India's greatest bowling attack. 

 

This is the era of great  bowlers

Don't peddle lies just to hype up your favourite players

 

 

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

Lol remember 952 haha.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Jay

[Majestic]

The spin bowling quality is shockingly bad in this era. Only Nathan Lyon is good enough outside of Indian bowlers and he too isn't all that great.

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Rabada

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

 

South Africas' greatest bowling attack. 

 

Name a bowling lineup better than this which SRT faced

It's total hogwash that modern bowlers are any lesser than those whom SRT faced. 

Similarly 

 

Anderson 

Broad 

Woakes

 

This attack is better than any English bowling attack SRT faced. 

 

Cummins

Hazelwood 

Starc 

Yet another ATG attack

 

As I said hogwash. 

 

Jamieson

Boult

Southee

Wagner

Kiwis greatest bowling attack ever. 

 

Bumrah

Shami

Siraj

Ishant

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

India's greatest bowling attack. 

 

This is the era of great  bowlers

Don't peddle lies just to hype up your favourite players

 

 

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

90s was an era of flat track in tests? Lmao, now we have heard it all

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

When did that happen.? Can you show some stats.? 

He was Mcgrath's and Andersons' bunny. 

Sachin averages 46 in australia with mcgrath and two series with mcgrsth he averaged over 50 and 57. Other series with lower average he was out to other bowlers couple of times 

 

Why do you bring anderson when you are talking about sachins peak? This is like claiming kohli is Jamiesons bunny based on his poor form now 

 

Still sachin averaged 52 against him in a series in 2008 and was unbeaten 100 in highest indian 4th innings chase of 387

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Rabada

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

 

South Africas' greatest bowling attack. 

 

Name a bowling lineup better than this which SRT faced

It's total hogwash that modern bowlers are any lesser than those whom SRT faced. 

Similarly 

 

Anderson 

Broad 

Woakes

 

This attack is better than any English bowling attack SRT faced. 

 

Cummins

Hazelwood 

Starc 

Yet another ATG attack

 

As I said hogwash. 

 

Jamieson

Boult

Southee

Wagner

Kiwis greatest bowling attack ever. 

 

Bumrah

Shami

Siraj

Ishant

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

India's greatest bowling attack. 

 

This is the era of great  bowlers

Don't peddle lies just to hype up your favourite players

 

 

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

We can put India aside for the moment since no Indian batsman will face their own team. One can take a look at the other teams:

 

1. WI in 90s: comfortably better than WI of now. Anyone who saw Bishop, Amby, Walsh knows that. In fact, that attack was on par with some of the ATG world attacks.

2. SL in 90s/00s: comfortably better than now thanks to Vaas + Murali (Murali has about 10 5fers in SENA)

3. Pak in 90s: better than now, even though Waqar declined in the latter half. Shoaib burst onto the scene in late 90s

 

4. SA in 90s was lesser than now, but not by a lot: the issue is that the ATG SA attack never got to play together - Fanie de Villiers, Pollock, Donald and Schultz would be better than Steyn-Morkel-Philander-Rabada, but the former didn't play together. however, pollock+donald in early days, with support from de villiers and SA pace ARs was formidable.

5. Oz in mid 90s was about the same as now: pace attack of now is better, but Warne was way better than Lyon

6. Eng in 90s was about the same overseas (look at Fraser in WI for example), but it was definitely lesser in home conditions

 

7. NZ in 90s: comfortably lower than now

 

I have not written about Bangers or Zim since they were not really seen as top-quality teams, although Zim was quite competitive.

 

TL;DR: Quality of bowling in 90s was about par as right now. 3 teams have better attacks than in the past (Eng + NZ + SA), Oz was roughly the same (thanks to Warne), and 3 teams were better in the past (Pak + SL + WI).

[Vijy]

54 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The spin bowling quality is shockingly bad in this era. Only Nathan Lyon is good enough outside of Indian bowlers and he too isn't all that great.

Yes, certain posters talking about how this is a so-called era for ATG bowlers really mean ATG pacers because they can't show a single non-Indian spinner who is an ATG.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Vijy

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, Banton said:

Todays bowlers are made to look good because there are not many great batsmen around these days.

India: Virat (great)

Pujara(above avg)

Australia: Steven Smith, warner(HTB)

England : Joe Root

Nz: Kane williamson ,Ross taylor(above avg)

Pakistan:  None

West Indies: None

 

 

SA doesn't have anyone right now (since ABDV retired). SL doesn't have anyone, although Karunaratne has improved quite a bit. Bangers and Zim don't need a mention.

 

I would put Babar in the above list: not an ATG, but good enough to be in the list. his avg is currently a bit low, but it will increase IMO.

[SRT100]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Rabada

Philander

Steyn

Morkel

 

South Africas' greatest bowling attack. 

 

Name a bowling lineup better than this which SRT faced

It's total hogwash that modern bowlers are any lesser than those whom SRT faced. 

Similarly 

 

Anderson 

Broad 

Woakes

 

This attack is better than any English bowling attack SRT faced. 

 

Cummins

Hazelwood 

Starc 

Yet another ATG attack

 

As I said hogwash. 

 

Jamieson

Boult

Southee

Wagner

Kiwis greatest bowling attack ever. 

 

Bumrah

Shami

Siraj

Ishant

Ashwin

Jadeja

 

India's greatest bowling attack. 

 

This is the era of great  bowlers

Don't peddle lies just to hype up your favourite players

 

 

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

lol

 

[Jay]

9 hours ago, Banton said:

Todays bowlers are made to look good because there are not many great batsmen around these days.

India: Virat (great)

Pujara(above avg)

Australia: Steven Smith, warner(HTB)

England : Joe Root

Nz: Kane williamson ,Ross taylor(above avg)

Pakistan:  None

West Indies: None

 

 

Past batsmen are made to look good because bowlers were weaker back then. Works both ways. You can't claim batsmen is Inferior now and refute the fact that bowlers were weaker back in 90s. 

[Chakdephatte]

12 hours ago, Adamant said:

Secondly, unlike the noughties this isn't an era of flat tracks in TEST matches

India produces turners, South africa last time produced deadly tracks when India toured, Nz serces Green pattas, have a look at Gabba test too to see what type of pitches Aussies dig up these days. 

I was going to give it a crown but then ypu said this. Giving you a benefit of doubt, you meant 00s and not 90's, right?

[Jay]

9 hours ago, Vijy said:

Yes, certain posters talking about how this is a so-called era for ATG bowlers really mean ATG pacers because they can't show a single non-Indian spinner who is an ATG.

Chucking was allowed or atleast not punished enough in 90s. Can't compare eras. Lot of the overrated spinners In 90s would get called for chucking now. Let's be honest. 

 

Pacers are miles ahead of 90s era. That's why this era is so exciting. Who gives a toss about batsmen. People pay money to watch fast bowlers. 

Batsmen as long as they have decent technique and can grit it out, that's enough for me. 

[Adamant]

10 hours ago, New guy said:

90s was an era of flat track in tests? Lmao, now we have heard it all

Please read it again, lol. 

I said noughties not nineties. 

[Adamant]

10 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

I was going to give it a crown but then ypu said this. Giving you a benefit of doubt, you meant 00s and not 90's, right?

Bhai Noughties not nineties

Please read again, I haven't edoted it or something. 

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

Bhai Noughties not nineties

Please read again, I haven't edoted it or something. 

Wth is noughties?

[Jay]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

Please read it again, lol. 

I said noughties not nineties. 

Don't forget chuckers we're made to look better than they are. Spinning chucking fodders. Would all get called now. Drs has changed the way players approach batting. All those 90s and noughties batsmen would get bamboozled by modern bowlers. It's not easy at all. 

 

Flat track fodder era was the worst era ever. 90s was ok. Atleast they were some decent quicks. 

 

Not to mention the few times the great srt who is a great don't get me wrong. One of the best ever. Let me make that clear. Even he struggled vs Kiwis in 2000 era on seaming tracks and India got bowled out for 99 and 110 etc. The few times we played on seaming tracks we struggled badly. So much for being great batsmen. 

 

Also we couldn't even chase 100 odd runs vs w.indies with dravid and co. I remember that very well.