Ravi Ashwin Interview discussion thread

[putrevus]

25 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

What things to worry? lol So when Bumrah gets injured he should be left on his own? What kind of man management is that?

What does he expect them to do?Rohit Sharma is injured does he expect captain and coach to call him everyday to check on him.

 

To look after injuired players Fitness trainer and doctors are there and the training staff gives input on their progress to captain and coach.

[putrevus]

41 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is their job. Unless you are Ravi shastri you won't say this lol

No who said it is coach's job to look after injured players. Is coach a doctor to look after injured players.If they berate him for getting injured then we have something to talk about. Pandya is injured, what can coach or captain do about it.

Edited December 22, 2021 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yes we need to give batsmen credit but he also needs to understand why Jadeja was being preferred. Don't bring Warne into this discussion, Warne gets the benefit of doubt because he won other matches like Kolkatta.Ashwin never won anything like that in his career away from home.

 

Use your SENA filter. Don't say "away". He is the only one to win 2 man of the series away from home in the last 10 years.  Dhawan 1, Kohli 1, B Kumar 1, Pujara 1. Nobody else has won any man of the series awards away from home in the last 10 years.  Even in the man of the match categories. He got 2 alongwith 5 others. Only one who has won 3 was Pujara.  

Edited December 22, 2021 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No who said it is coach's job to look after injured players. Is coach a doctor to look after injured players.If they berate him for getting injured then we have something to talk about. Pandya is injured, what can coach or captain do about it.

 

This was his quote. Just replace Ashwin's name with Bumra after NZ series. His performance against NZ was the worst among all the bowlers this year. Stop defending everything that Ravi bot does.

 

Shastri told the ‘Cricbuzz’ website. “There is a time for everyone (referring to Ashwin’s poor fitness record in 2018). But now Kuldeep is our frontline number one overseas spinner,” he added.

Edited December 22, 2021 by vvvslaxman

[vvvslaxman]

When it comes to Pujara and Rahane this is what Ravi Bot has to say

 

“It is very easy to just get rid of players if they failed in one or two innings. But you should know experience is not sold in the market and it can’t be bought. It is something you earn and unless you have a replacement, double that experience, when it comes to quality, you should not be thinking,” Ravi Shastri said to The Indian Express.

 

https://cricfit.com/its-very-easy-to-get-rid-of-players-ravi-shastri-on-why-he-backed-cheteshwar-pujara-and-ajinkya-rahane/

 

 

[putrevus]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Use your SENA filter. Don't say "away". He is the only one to win 2 man of the series away from home in the last 10 years.  Dhawan 1, Kohli 1, B Kumar 1, Pujara 1. Nobody else has won any man of the series awards away from home in the last 10 years.  Even in the man of the match categories. He got 2 alongwith 5 others. Only one who has won 3 was Pujara.  

What are you talking about, there is no need to use any filterwe know what Ashwin did in away tests..Ashwin has done nothing in SENA matches And you are comparing him to Warne and Kolkatta.Warne might have failed in India but he sure did very away in other countries.

 

It does not mean other spinner in jadeja was/is better than him as bowler, but Jadeja offers more with bat and he adds little length to the weak batting lineup.

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

This was his quote. Just replace Ashwin's name with Bumra after NZ series. His performance against NZ was the worst among all the bowlers this year. Stop defending everything that Ravi bot does.

 

Shastri told the ‘Cricbuzz’ website. “There is a time for everyone (referring to Ashwin’s poor fitness record in 2018). But now Kuldeep is our frontline number one overseas spinner,” he added.

How is that big deal and knock on Ashwin? Ashwin has not been lead spinner even now.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, putrevus said:

What are you talking about, there is no need to use any filterwe know what Ashwin did in away tests..Ashwin has done nothing in SENA matches And you are comparing him to Warne and Kolkatta.Warne might have failed in India but he sure did very away in other countries.

 

It does not mean other spinner in jadeja was/is better than him as bowler, but Jadeja offers more with bat and he adds little length to the weak batting lineup.

 

Jadeja's batting was needed because our entire middle order sucks. which is not Ashwin's fault is it? That is what we are trying to say.  The day when tailenders stop contributing the same team will get shellacking in every series despite our bowling efforts. Instead of addressing the real problem with batting,  we were focusing on tinkering the lower order to provide the cushion to the losers in the middle order.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is that big deal and knock on Ashwin? Ashwin has not been lead spinner even now.

 

He is the lead spinner. Just that spinner selection is based on batting skill rather than bowling skill. Atleast in current form.  Jaddu's contribution in England series and WTC was effectively nothing with bat. Just a couple of cameos. That's it. Thakur did better than him. Even Shami did better than him. If we strictly talk about batting in helpful conditions Jadeja is not going to be our savior. He can make some runs in easier batting conditions. Sure. This is when he is at his peak batting form.

[neel roy]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He is the lead spinner. Just that spinner selection is based on batting skill rather than bowling skill. Atleast in current form.  Jaddu's contribution in England series and WTC was effectively nothing with bat. Just a couple of cameos. That's it. Thakur did better than him. Even Shami did better than him. If we strictly talk about batting in helpful conditions Jadeja is not going to be our savior. He can make some runs in easier batting conditions. Sure. This is when he is at his peak batting form.

Honestly i was more disappointed with Ashwin in the first test against Nz day 5 where he struggled and jaddu took 4 wickets. India should have won if Ashwin would have been in his best form

[Suhaan]

Indian spinners are duds overseas its a bitter pill to digest

For all the critism Kaptann clown gets,i did support him for once for him to drop Ashwin in England and play all four fast bowlers

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Jadeja's batting was needed because our entire middle order sucks. which is not Ashwin's fault is it? That is what we are trying to say.  The day when tailenders stop contributing the same team will get shellacking in every series despite our bowling efforts. Instead of addressing the real problem with batting,  we were focusing on tinkering the lower order to provide the cushion to the losers in the middle order.

Everyone knows that Indian middle order stinks, are there any readymade replacements. These things are something which cannot be done overnight.So any coach and captain will do what they have done with Jadeja. It is not like Ashwin will run thru the batting lineups. They are not losing that much with Jadeja being the lone spinner.

 

I don't think Ashwin has anything to gripe about, he is not a better package deal than Jadeja.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Honestly i was more disappointed with Ashwin in the first test against Nz day 5 where he struggled and jaddu took 4 wickets. India should have won if Ashwin would have been in his best form

 

That was an uber slow wicket honestly. Ball took time to arrive eternally. It was the same case in the previous encounter with NZ as well. India had to fight hard to win that test in 2016. Ashwin took 10 wickets back then. He actually bowled quiet well on day 5. We did not have enough overs to bowl them out on such a slow wicket . Our option was seamers using the new ball to provide some break through. But sommerville batted till lunch .  He took 3 of the first 5 wickets.  With ball getting older it was progressively slower. Jadeja's darts worked effectively to some extent. At the end of the day all 3 spinners had a shot at the tailenders. None of them could break through their defense.

[rollingstoned]

Had the chance to read the interview completely. It may just be me but ashwin came across as someone who is frank and outspoken which we all knew but also prickly and with a grudge against some people, particularly the answer to the last question imo. I got that feeling even after the ahmedabad test match which got over in 2 days where he looked irritated in the post match presser. People would think kohli is a narcissist but he too lowkey belongs in that category imo. 

[putrevus]

37 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He is the lead spinner. Just that spinner selection is based on batting skill rather than bowling skill. Atleast in current form.  Jaddu's contribution in England series and WTC was effectively nothing with bat. Just a couple of cameos. That's it. Thakur did better than him. Even Shami did better than him. If we strictly talk about batting in helpful conditions Jadeja is not going to be our savior. He can make some runs in easier batting conditions. Sure. This is when he is at his peak batting form.

Who said he is the lead spinner?Nobody is expecting Jadeja to run thru batting lineups or score 100s.He will bowl 20 overs if needed economically and hold one end while picking one or two wickets .  Build some stand wth batsmen .Score some useful runs with tail.

Edited December 22, 2021 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Everyone knows that Indian middle order stinks, are there any readymade replacements. These things are something which cannot be done overnight.So any coach and captain will do what they have done with Jadeja. It is not like Ashwin will run thru the batting lineups. They are not losing that much with Jadeja being the lone spinner.

 

I don't think Ashwin has anything to gripe about, he is not a better package deal than Jadeja.

 

Yes. Heck even Ashwin had better batting record than Rahane in the last one year. Not that i suggest picking him instead of Rahane. You could give chance to any youngster or even Vihari who can bowl off spin. SKY was the back up. Why not give him  a chance. They back only losers like Rahane because they provide a distraction.

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Had the chance to read the interview completely. It may just be me but ashwin came across as someone who is frank and outspoken which we all knew but also prickly and with a grudge against some people, particularly the answer to the last question imo. I got that feeling even after the ahmedabad test match which got over in 2 days where he looked irritated in the post match presser. People would think kohli is a narcissist but he too lowkey belongs in that category imo. 

 

 Ashwin is a bad at handling criticism. He is always itching to give it back. I mean most players have that habit. Remember during 2007 world cup where Ravi shastri took a dig at Indian side and Dhoni took a pot shot at his earlier remark. Infact he directly talked to him.  Rohit is a bit more diplomatic than others like Kohli, Ashwin.  Ashwin is a bit more talkative, expressive and opinionated. But they all have nothing but good things to say about Dhoni.  Dhoni had better man management skills than Kohli.  But both showed favoritism.  Dhoni backed Jaddu and Ishant to the hilt. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by vvvslaxman

[putrevus]

29 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yes. Heck even Ashwin had better batting record than Rahane in the last one year. Not that i suggest picking him instead of Rahane. You could give chance to any youngster or even Vihari who can bowl off spin. SKY was the back up. Why not give him  a chance. They back only losers like Rahane because they provide a distraction.

You are talking about something completely unrelated.I understand Rahane has been a flop but he played a vital role in India's iconic series win in 2021 so you just cannot kick him out like that, They have moved on from him .These changes are career ending changes.

 

I am glad BCCI does not think like you.

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You are talking about something completely unrelated.I understand Rahane has been a flop but he played a vital role in India's iconic series win in 2021 so you just cannot kick him out like that, They have moved on from him .These changes are career ending changes.

 

I am glad BCCI does not think like you.

 

I am glad BCCI does not think like you as well. Otherwise Rahane will be playing for a few more years. 

[rollingstoned]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 Ashwin is a bad at handling criticism. He is always itching to give it back. I mean most players have that habit. Remember during 2007 world cup where Ravi shastri took a dig at Indian side and Dhoni took a pot shot at his earlier remark. Infact he directly talked to him.  Rohit is a bit more diplomatic than others like Kohli, Ashwin.  Ashwin is a bit more talkative, expressive and opinionated. But they all have nothing but good things to say about Dhoni.  Dhoni had better man management skills than Kohli.  But both showed favoritism.  Dhoni backed Jaddu and Ishant to the hilt. 

That whole interview made him look quite defensive for some reason. Even kohli has topped that only with the 'you can't judge us if you haven't played the game' line once for which he got rightly panned. With ashwin it seems more sincere since he's not in a leadership position. The chip on the shoulder is alright if It works for him but he seems to have gained some self awareness  by this same interview in how to interact with other people.