Dravid struggling in T20

[graphic23]

Gambit, I agree he hasn't been performing well (infact very poorly). But I never expected Dravid to do as well in T20 as he in ODIs or Test Matches(who really expected him to bat like Sehwag or Dhoni, really?). What I did expect was to see him perform like Laxman is presently batting - but he hasn't been able to pull it off. Same with Ganguly, surprising to see him not be a success in this format - I thought he would be.

[Guest Hiten.]

Regarding the technicalities of the poll' date=' how about someone starts another thread with the 'disgraced' question in the poll to see how others feel on the matter?[/quote'] Done. http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=103354

[swami1984]

And you are a ****ing shithole without a brain. My logic is just about as good as yours if you are calling Dravid a disgraceful batsman. He is the ONLY player in Indian cricket who has never played for himself and always for the team. If you claim to have watched Cricket over the past 30 years and you're unable to grasp this' date= wow.

wtf....chill dude.......dravid WAS a great player. key word is WAS.....hes clearly out of form in tests, so drop him like dada

[swami1984]

Top 3 ? You gotto be joking. He is the undoubted best, EVER.

um no....imho gavaskar

[Gambit]

Top 3 ? You gotto be joking. He is the undoubted best' date=' EVER.[/quote'] Rrrrrrrrrrrright. Anyway, that's a 'discussion', if there is anything to be discussed (:D) for another day.

[graphic23]

You can't be a great player one day and become an average one the next. He's in a form dip (something he hasn't experienced in the period between 2001-2006 for more than 1/2 a series). It is a meaningless(to put it kindly) claim that he ought to be disgraced and shamed to asked to quit cricket. An in-form Dravid is an in-form India - seriously. He delivers in all circumstances if he is in form. Let us not forget that and make claims out of hyperbole that he's failed in a few T20 innings (which doesn't matter anyway).

[Guest HariSampath]

Dravid , promoting himself ahead of White and Kohli, comes in the 5th over, 99 needed off 66 balls with 8 wkts in hand.... see the flow of his play till the 10th over... 4.6 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, short of a length, outside off, taps off the back foot, towards short mid-on 5.4 Ganguly to Dravid, 1 run, full and outside off, glided towards third man, quick single 6.2 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, pushed back to the bowler 6.5 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, tapped towards mid-on and another dot. The pressure is piling on as Shoaib takes centrestage 6.6 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, tries to turn and take off for a quick single but the bowler is there to stop that 7.4 Ganguly to Dravid, 1 run, driven to long-on, another single but is this enough? Bangalore surely leaving this a bit too late 7.6 Ganguly to Dravid, no run, short of a length and cramping for room again, defended to the off side 8.2 Kartik to Dravid, 1 run, short this time, cut away but can't get the gap, Hussey keeps them down to a single 8.5 Kartik to Dravid, 1 run, worked away to the leg side for a single 9.1 Ganguly to Dravid, OUT, and he's cleaned up up, too cute from Dravid and he misses the paddle-sweep, leg stump is out of the ground and Ganguly is like Greek hero in Olympia, running through the ground as if he's won the marathon, he's loving this wicket, Dravid looks back in anguish. The Ganguly v Dravid battle is over. And there's been only one winner. NOW 79 required in 40 balls..almost 2 per ball See what I mean...just see what were the shots he attempted in that spell where 19 runs came off 4.2 overs..NOT EVEN one attempt to hit a boundary...all the while better batters were in the dugout and overs getting wasted.

[swami1984]

You can't be a great player one day and become an average one the next. He's in a form dip (something he hasn't experienced in the period between 2001-2006 for more than 1/2 a series). It is a meaningless(to put it kindly) claim that he ought to be disgraced and shamed to asked to quit cricket. An in-form Dravid is an in-form India - seriously. He delivers in all circumstances if he is in form. Let us not forget that and make claims out of hyperbole that he's failed in a few T20 innings (which doesn't matter anyway).

his innings in aus were sooo damn bad this past year.

[yoda]

his innings in aus were sooo damn bad this past year.

right. he scored a 90 in the only test we won. shows how great he is to be so damn bad scoring match winning 90s.

[graphic23]

Are, his 50 in Sydney first innings was painful to watch but that partnership of 175 was crucial for India. Even Sachin admitted that (and so did Laxman). Same with the 100+ in the first innings at Chennai against SA. They have NOT been by any means good innings but he's not letting the team down. His 92 at Perth was great, he missed a century -something he badly deserved. A player who averages in the 40s in a series in a very horrible dip of form isn't a horrible one, right?

[Cricketics]

this is not new from harisampath. he sometimes find srt to criticize, here as dravid's team is failing. today he comes up with ANTI-DRAVID stuff. nothing new just something to be ignored

[Guest Hiten.]

Where is Hari's criticism on Dhoni's 33(33) when CSK were chasing a target of 188 :hysterical:. Btw Dhoni came in at 6th over and got out in 18th over. He scored 33 in this period of time :hysterical:

If RD's 66 at SR of 129 was not viable in T20. Where are your criticisms for Dhoni's SR of 100 vs DD, that too when CSk were chasing 188 ? If your views against RD are not bias then you tell me what bias is

[Guest Hiten.]

Hari, no one here is defending RD over his lack of T20 abilities. You have got all the points right when you have blamed RD solely on his T20 performance. BUT you have gone overboard by asking him to quit cricket because he cannot score at a pace viable for T20.

[satishg]

Dravid , promoting himself ahead of White and Kohli, comes in the 5th over, 99 needed off 66 balls with 8 wkts in hand.... see the flow of his play till the 10th over... 4.6 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, short of a length, outside off, taps off the back foot, towards short mid-on 5.4 Ganguly to Dravid, 1 run, full and outside off, glided towards third man, quick single 6.2 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, pushed back to the bowler 6.5 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, tapped towards mid-on and another dot. The pressure is piling on as Shoaib takes centrestage 6.6 Umar Gul to Dravid, no run, tries to turn and take off for a quick single but the bowler is there to stop that 7.4 Ganguly to Dravid, 1 run, driven to long-on, another single but is this enough? Bangalore surely leaving this a bit too late 7.6 Ganguly to Dravid, no run, short of a length and cramping for room again, defended to the off side 8.2 Kartik to Dravid, 1 run, short this time, cut away but can't get the gap, Hussey keeps them down to a single 8.5 Kartik to Dravid, 1 run, worked away to the leg side for a single 9.1 Ganguly to Dravid, OUT, and he's cleaned up up, too cute from Dravid and he misses the paddle-sweep, leg stump is out of the ground and Ganguly is like Greek hero in Olympia, running through the ground as if he's won the marathon, he's loving this wicket, Dravid looks back in anguish. The Ganguly v Dravid battle is over. And there's been only one winner. NOW 79 required in 40 balls..almost 2 per ball See what I mean...just see what were the shots he attempted in that spell where 19 runs came off 4.2 overs..NOT EVEN one attempt to hit a boundary...all the while better batters were in the dugout and overs getting wasted.

ok Hari everybody knows that dravid is struggling in this format..and its not been going down well with him..so wat if he struggles in T20..it doesn mean anything..how do u know wats been running in his mind..maybe he wud have tried to anchor the innings as MSD did today..and go for the shots in the end..i know it was dada who was bowling but maybe RD wud have thot not to take any risks at that moment..it jus din work for him..yes accepted that his team selection and batting order changes hasn been that gud..but how can u judge him jus coz of this..this was the man who lead us to that 15 match winning streak in ODIs..yes he is not the player he was in ODIs but that doesn mean u have to disgrace him like this..he is needed in our test squad. Period

[Ram]

If RD's 66 at SR of 129 was not viable in T20. Where are your criticisms for Dhoni's SR of 100 vs DD, that too when CSk were chasing 188 ? If your views against RD are not bias then you tell me what bias is

Excellent question. Its duplicity and double standards that really rile people up. If you want to criticize, apply the same yardsticks to everyone.

[Ram]

Rrrrrrrrrrrright. Anyway' date=' that's a 'discussion', if there is anything to be discussed (:D) for another day.[/quote'] :D j/k. :-D

[Guest HariSampath]

Most people dont understand the poll question. 1. When Dravid was appointed Bangalore captain, did he select a team that is best suited for t20 format. This indicates whether he reads the t20 game. 2. By his selections of the 11 , batting order as well his own batting, does it reflect on his correct estimate of game situations as a batter/captain AND has he utilised available resources best enough to win. These are the issues that go into poll question. Answer is a sad " NO"

[Cricketics]

If RD's 66 at SR of 129 was not viable in T20. Where are your criticisms for Dhoni's SR of 100 vs DD, that too when CSk were chasing 188 ? If your views against RD are not bias then you tell me what bias is

Excellent question. Its duplicity and double standards that really rile people up. If you want to criticize, apply the same yardsticks to everyone.

HARI SAMPATHA WILL SAY THAT IT'S A GOAT CURSE ON DHONI.. HENCE THE STRIKE RATE OF 100

[Guest HariSampath]

If RD's 66 at SR of 129 was not viable in T20. Where are your criticisms for Dhoni's SR of 100 vs DD, that too when CSk were chasing 188 ? If your views against RD are not bias then you tell me what bias is

Simple answer. Dhoni can well play along at 100 SR till last few overs and then he can get even 40 off 15 balls...thats planned hitting like we saw against BRC...but that again indicates his understanding of his ability with respect to team needs...he may or may not come off, thats fine..Dravid KNOWS he cannot bat like Dhoni , say 40 off 15 balls, so he has no business playing at 45 % SR when team needs lots more. Here too Dhoni only had 2 overs and he knew Sehwag/Malik would come along and he would have won it in 1 over itself, but he got out and Sehwag actually was forced to use the spinner last over because Dhoni was a deterrent . Dont even compare Dhoni and Dravid...Its a travesty

[Ram]

Most people dont understand the poll question. 1. When Dravid was appointed Bangalore captain, did he select a team that is best suited for t20 format. This indicates whether he reads the t20 game. 2. By his selections of the 11 , batting order as well his own batting, does it reflect on his correct estimate of game situations as a batter/captain AND has he utilised available resources best enough to win. These are the issues that go into poll question. Answer is a sad " NO"

Wow, what a dramatic countdown. The above comments and those you made about RD earlier are galaxies apart. Its O.K to constructively criticize the role of a cricketer and his individual contributions, like whats been said in the quoted post. A vast majority will agree that BRC isnt the BEST team going around and hasnt ALWAYS got its combination right. But to rubbish a great of the game, an Indian icon, like you did earlier, is simply unacceptable.