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On 1/8/2022 at 3:06 PM, Trichromatic said:

If Ian Bell is in the list, why not Ganguly then?

Ganguly had 5 centuries in SENA. Current crop can only dream of that. Even before tendulkars mumbai and pants brisbane chasing heroics, Ganguly scored a masterful 98 not out in 4th innings chase in Galle ( 264 target) against Sri lanka and murli in prime and won India its only test in the island nation between 1993 and 2008. 16 centuries ( plus two 99s) is not a bad return along with 7200 odd runs in test cricket. Pujara will even struggle to match that the way his average and score is plummeting..

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Ian Bell? 

An average of 42 for an English batsman is gold standard. 

I don't know why you considered putting him there also Saleem Malik was a pretty good batsman but still you can put him there coz of fixing and stuff but based on batting credentials he was great and doesn't deserve to be here.

 

Michael Atherton was good too. 

 

Actually I think the title itself doesn't do justice to the players, someone who played 100 tests had a successful career, it's a bit like deciding who is the most poverty stricken man amongst a list of millionaires. 

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1 hour ago, neel roy said:

Ganguly had 5 centuries in SENA. Current crop can only dream of that. Even before tendulkars mumbai and pants brisbane chasing heroics, Ganguly scored a masterful 98 not out in 4th innings chase in Galle ( 264 target) against Sri lanka and murli in prime and won India its only test in the island nation between 1993 and 2008. 16 centuries ( plus two 99s) is not a bad return along with 7200 odd runs in test cricket. Pujara will even struggle to match that the way his average and score is plummeting..

Ian Bell scored 22 centuries in his test career and by all means he was as good or even better than Ganguly (in test cricket). 

 

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1 hour ago, neel roy said:

Ganguly had 5 centuries in SENA. Current crop can only dream of that. Even before tendulkars mumbai and pants brisbane chasing heroics, Ganguly scored a masterful 98 not out in 4th innings chase in Galle ( 264 target) against Sri lanka and murli in prime and won India its only test in the island nation between 1993 and 2008. 16 centuries ( plus two 99s) is not a bad return along with 7200 odd runs in test cricket. Pujara will even struggle to match that the way his average and score is plummeting..

 

Which current crop?

 

Pujara has 5, Rahane has 4, KL Rahul has 4, Pant has 2 centuries in SENA and none of their careers is over.

 

Also none of them scored centuries against greats bowlers like Peter Martin, Allan Mullaly, Chris Lewis, Dominic Cork, Min Patel, Mark Elham, Simon Doull, Chris Cairns, Dion Nash, Hoggard, Caddick, Tudor, Giles, Bracken and Andy Bichel and Gillespie.

 

They got their centuries against average bowlers like Cummins, Hazlewood, Steyn, peak Anderson, peak Broad, Rabada, Ryan Harris, Starc etc.

 

Yes current crop only dream of those.

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4 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Pujara has 5, Rahane has 4, KL Rahul has 4, Pant has 2 centuries in SENA and none of their careers is over.

Do you expect Pujara or Rahane to score another century? Thats pretty high hopes. That too in SENA!! based on their form. Also next SENA Tour is in 2024! You are very optImistic to say the least and thats being kind :)

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6 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Which current crop?

 

Pujara has 5, Rahane has 4, KL Rahul has 4, Pant has 2 centuries in SENA and none of their careers is over.

 

Also none of them scored centuries against greats bowlers like Peter Martin, Allan Mullaly, Chris Lewis, Dominic Cork, Min Patel, Mark Elham, Simon Doull, Chris Cairns, Dion Nash, Hoggard, Caddick, Tudor, Giles, Bracken and Andy Bichel and Gillespie.

 

They got their centuries against average bowlers like Cummins, Hazlewood, Steyn, peak Anderson, peak Broad, Rabada, Ryan Harris, Starc etc.

 

Yes current crop only dream of those.

 

You forgot Warne, McGrath, Pollock, Donald, Walsh, Ambrose...?

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11 hours ago, neel roy said:

Ganguly had 5 centuries in SENA. Current crop can only dream of that. Even before tendulkars mumbai and pants brisbane chasing heroics, Ganguly scored a masterful 98 not out in 4th innings chase in Galle ( 264 target) against Sri lanka and murli in prime and won India its only test in the island nation between 1993 and 2008. 16 centuries ( plus two 99s) is not a bad return along with 7200 odd runs in test cricket. Pujara will even struggle to match that the way his average and score is plummeting..

Pujara and especially Rahane should be eternally thankful to our pacers for converting their contributions into victories.. some of the most spectacular innings from previous gen turned into draws ( Brisbane/2003)  or even defeats ( Sydney/2000) in the previous gen. 

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11 hours ago, neel roy said:

Ganguly had 5 centuries in SENA. Current crop can only dream of that. Even before tendulkars mumbai and pants brisbane chasing heroics, Ganguly scored a masterful 98 not out in 4th innings chase in Galle ( 264 target) against Sri lanka and murli in prime and won India its only test in the island nation between 1993 and 2008. 16 centuries ( plus two 99s) is not a bad return along with 7200 odd runs in test cricket. Pujara will even struggle to match that the way his average and score is plummeting..

Match saving century in Brisbane in 2003. Back to back centuries in England in his first and second tests. Ganguly the batsman was eclipsed by Ganguly the captain. He may not pass the ICF test of greatness(has any batsman ever?) but he was a damn good batsman.

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5 hours ago, neel roy said:

Do you expect Pujara or Rahane to score another century? Thats pretty high hopes. That too in SENA!! based on their form. Also next SENA Tour is in 2024! You are very optImistic to say the least and thats being kind :)

 

If they face those bowling attacks in similar conditions which Ganguly faced, they will score 5 centuries. 

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10 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Which current crop?

 

Pujara has 5, Rahane has 4, KL Rahul has 4, Pant has 2 centuries in SENA and none of their careers is over.

 

Also none of them scored centuries against greats bowlers like Peter Martin, Allan Mullaly, Chris Lewis, Dominic Cork, Min Patel, Mark Elham, Simon Doull, Chris Cairns, Dion Nash, Hoggard, Caddick, Tudor, Giles, Bracken and Andy Bichel and Gillespie.

 

They got their centuries against average bowlers like Cummins, Hazlewood, Steyn, peak Anderson, peak Broad, Rabada, Ryan Harris, Starc etc.

 

Yes current crop only dream of those.

 

One other point I would add is that while in current crop, we have to find "andhon mein kana raja", in the era in which Ganguly played, we had World class batsmen like Dravid, Tendulkar, Sehwag and Laxman. So the task for him was a lot easier as he often came in to bat when a good platform was already laid. It also meant that he blocked the place for other good domestic players like Amol Muzumdar, who never got a chance to play Test cricket. Being captain helped him retain his place in the team.

 

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