vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: He was an opener, at least try to lie honestly! How many of them in S.E.N.A. away from home? So all his 4 fifties are flukes, vs none for the incumbent "spinner" Why couldn't Jadeja do it in Non SENA? Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: So we pick a player because he can score a 50 batting at 7 occasionally? Newsflash he's the best best we had in S.E.N,A. after Kohli & Rohit over the last 5 years & did you see our tail? 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: You sound like Jaddu is Ben stokes/Kapil Dev. Stokes isn't Sobers, stop bringing useless comparisons! What the eff is he doing in Oz right now Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: Right & then straight as a tailender? So he forgot all his batting at state level Even Sundar did not play first class for 4 years. Played a very few first class games. He came in and batted better than three triple century maker in domestic. Thakur already batted better than him. Jadeja is at his best batting form. But don't sound like , him batting at 7 will help us post totals like 400. No He will add 20 runs more may be at the best. Sunil_narine024 1 Link to comment
Jay Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, ash said: One more thread analysing a non existent issue instead of focusing on the real one - the missing middle order. Selecting Jadeja over Ashwin or Vice Versa is not a game changer in overseas condition. Ashwin is a better bowler, Jadeja is a better batsman but the difference is not huge. Jadeja could maybe give 10 more runs, Ashwin maybe 1 more wicket. I have never felt that choosing one over the other could change the match decisively in Overseas condition. Fielding. Catching. Jaddu better in second innings in general for bowling in sena. Jaddu also bats better but not much better under pressure. But at 195/5, jaddus would have added 20 30 odd I feel. Jaddu can't bat obviously if the scores are like 130/5. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Why couldn't Jadeja do it in Non SENA? You mean this guy? Batting | Bowling | Fielding | All-round | Partnership | Team | Umpire and referee | Aggregate/overall View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 31 Jan 2016 Qualifications scores of fifty or more greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RG Sharma 2016-2021 10 16 3 1112 212 85.53 1645 67.59 4 4 0 128 29 KL Rahul 2016-2017 8 13 1 696 199 58.00 1175 59.23 1 6 1 85 6 V Kohli 2016-2021 19 31 4 1535 254* 56.85 2600 59.03 4 4 4 172 5 CA Pujara 2016-2021 21 35 1 1552 202 45.64 3390 45.78 4 9 4 191 6 RA Jadeja 2016-2021 16 24 6 742 91 41.22 1138 65.20 0 8 2 56 24 AM Rahane 2016-2021 18 30 3 975 188 36.11 2003 48.67 2 4 2 120 9 M Vijay 2016-2017 11 19 0 656 136 34.52 1562 41.99 2 3 1 71 9 R Ashwin 2016-2021 21 27 1 704 106 27.07 1319 53.37 1 4 2 90 3 Why don't you do all of us a favor & stop digging that manhole? Oh wait all his fifties & hundreds are a fluke right Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, R!TTER said: You mean this guy? Batting | Bowling | Fielding | All-round | Partnership | Team | Umpire and referee | Aggregate/overall View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away home venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 31 Jan 2016 Qualifications scores of fifty or more greater than or equal to 5 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s RG Sharma 2016-2021 10 16 3 1112 212 85.53 1645 67.59 4 4 0 128 29 KL Rahul 2016-2017 8 13 1 696 199 58.00 1175 59.23 1 6 1 85 6 V Kohli 2016-2021 19 31 4 1535 254* 56.85 2600 59.03 4 4 4 172 5 CA Pujara 2016-2021 21 35 1 1552 202 45.64 3390 45.78 4 9 4 191 6 RA Jadeja 2016-2021 16 24 6 742 91 41.22 1138 65.20 0 8 2 56 24 AM Rahane 2016-2021 18 30 3 975 188 36.11 2003 48.67 2 4 2 120 9 M Vijay 2016-2017 11 19 0 656 136 34.52 1562 41.99 2 3 1 71 9 R Ashwin 2016-2021 21 27 1 704 106 27.07 1319 53.37 1 4 2 90 3 Why don't you do all of us a favor & stop digging that manhole? Oh wait all his fifties & hundreds are a fluke right 100s? where. How many 50s were made when India was in good position. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Jaddu can't bat obviously if the scores are like 130/5. I think right now he should bat ahead of Pants - that guy isn't doing much at all with the bat. Link to comment
Jay Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: I think right now he should bat ahead of Pants - that guy isn't doing much at all with the bat. Pant should be number 4 or 5 imo. He did well there. He can't bat lower at 6 7. Plus having a lefties early disrupts rhythm. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: 100s? where. How many 50s were made when India was in good position. Mohali 2016 against Eng, Dharamshala vs Oz, Kanpur 2021 - if you need more innings start a search yourself. Not doing your legwork for you Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Jay said: Pant should be number 4 or 5 imo. He did well there. He can't bat lower at 6 7. Plus having a lefties early disrupts rhythm. Who will eject Trimurthis lol This is why we have to stop barking at the wrong tree. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Pant should be number 4 or 5 imo. He can't bat at Brat's place, besides he doesn't have the game for 4 - you're giving him too much credit if you think he can bat at 4/5 regularly on spicy tracks, SCG was super flat. Jay 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, R!TTER said: Mohali 2016 against Eng, Dharamshala vs Oz, Kanpur 2021 - if you need more innings start a search yourself. Not doing your legwork for you I listed his top 5 best partnerhips. All came in when India was in dominating position. Ashwin has the second highest number of centuries batting at 8 in the history followed by Vettori. You think Jadeja can score batting there? Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Ashwin has the second highest number of centuries batting at 8 in the history followed by Vettori. You keep harping about them, except that 100 against Eng at Chennai, when India were in a strong position, how many has he scored against a team not called the WIndies? And I'd like a proper dogfight on a pitch not as dead as a dodo! 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: You think Jadeja can score batting there? Against hapless teams why not? 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: I listed his top 5 best partnerhips Why don't you list the games as well? I listed the best 4 oppositions! Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, R!TTER said: You keep harping about them, except that 100 against Eng at Chennai, when India were in a strong position, how many has he scored against a team not called the WIndies? Against hapless teams why not? Why don't you list the games as well? I listed the best 4 oppositions! Dude. West Indies had India on the mat. West indies batting sucks. But their bowling was always decent. Those were valuable runs. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-2014-667693/england-vs-india-4th-investec-test-667717/full-scorecard Where was Mr.Jadeja the batsman in this match in testing conditions. Link to comment
Jay Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, R!TTER said: He can't bat at Brat's place, besides he doesn't have the game for 4 - you're giving him too much credit if you think he can bat at 4/5 regularly on spicy tracks, SCG was super flat. True true. We could honestly drop him for sen tours. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-tour-of-england-2014-667693/england-vs-india-4th-investec-test-667717/full-scorecard Where was Mr.Jadeja the batsman in this match in testing conditions. Dude, that manhole Full Scorecard of India vs England 2nd Investec Test 2014 Ravindra Jadeja c Cook b Stokes 68 57 118 9 0 119.29 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: West Indies had India on the mat. West indies batting sucks. But their bowling was always decent. Those were valuable runs. WI haven't beaten us at home in nearly 30 years, yeah nah I don't give extra points for runs against minnows! Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, Jay said: True true. We could honestly drop him for sen tours. I don't think he will be dropped unless his keeping becomes like Parthiv patel's keeping. Indian no.6 batting was either occupied by Laxman/Ganguly/Dravid/Dhoni/Yuvraj. Laxman averages 50 at no.6, Dhoni averages 55 at no.6 . Almost all of them average better than Pant at no.6. Pant despite memorable match winning knocks has an average of 32 at no.6 which is very low. Let us stop using the SENA filters. A batsman has to score runs everywhere. Our SENA obsession is blinding our judgement of players. It is not okay to suck in India if you have great SENA record. That is how Rahane survived even with pathetic home record due to his one great eason. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: Dude, that manhole Full Scorecard of India vs England 2nd Investec Test 2014 Ravindra Jadeja c Cook b Stokes 68 57 118 9 0 119.29 WI haven't beaten us at home in nearly 30 years, yeah nah I don't give extra points for runs against minnows! got out at Oh wait. i didn't realize bowling well is enough to win a test like batting is non-existent. Do you realize India could have lost that Test if Ashwin had not made 103 in the first innings and got out sooner in the 2nd innings? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-india-2011-12-535995/india-vs-west-indies-3rd-test-535999/full-scorecard Link to comment
Jay Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: I don't think he will be dropped unless his keeping becomes like Parthiv patel's keeping. Indian no.6 batting was either occupied by Laxman/Ganguly/Dravid/Dhoni/Yuvraj. Laxman averages 50 at no.6, Dhoni averages 55 at no.6 . Almost all of them average better than Pant at no.6. Pant despite memorable match winning knocks has an average of 32 at no.6 which is very low. Let us stop using the SENA filters. A batsman has to score runs everywhere. Our SENA obsession is blinding our judgement of players. It is not okay to suck in India if you have great SENA record. That is how Rahane survived even with pathetic home record due to his one great eason. You got to perform in Asia. That's assumed imo. Expected. Apart from that, the player needs to perform in atleast 2 of sena. Pant does in australia. I feel he can do ok in England. S Africa and new zeland are huge question marks. You need solid defence in these 2 places along with strokeplay. He has strokes but his inept at choosing the right balls to attack. If he can average 30 in s.africa and kiwi land that's good enough. In australia he can average 40 plus. In Asia obviously he will excel with 45 plus. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 And you're bringing a test back from 2011? Ok then how about - Most wickets Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 GP Swann (ENG) 4 7 185.5 44 495 20 5/144 8/113 24.75 2.66 55.7 1 0 PP Ojha (INDIA) 4 8 254.2 69 617 20 5/45 9/165 30.85 2.42 76.3 2 0 MS Panesar (ENG) 3 5 183.0 44 456 17 6/81 11/210 26.82 2.49 64.5 2 1 R Ashwin (INDIA) 4 8 236.5 48 737 14 3/80 5/214 52.64 3.11 101.5 0 0 JM Anderson (ENG) 4 7 126.4 27 363 12 4/81 6/127 30.25 2.86 63.3 0 0 UT Yadav (INDIA) 1 2 30.0 4 84 4 3/70 4/84 21.00 2.80 45.0 0 0 We'll just pretend this series never happened Link to comment
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