India missing the Jadeja link in this series

[AuxiliA]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Ashwin is certainly not good enough either. Both are not going to be. India needed a 7+4 combo probably. But bowlers getting injured became a real concern.

 

Agree both are underwhelming in SENA, but they aren't even close to being the real problem. It's always beneficial to have a good spinner no matter the conditions. Both can bat so that's a plus. 

 

Batting has become a joke. Today (minus Pant & extras) they made 70/10. Rahane has overtaken Azhar as the biggest scam in Indian cricket history. If not for the bowling, we would have stayed a no 4-5 ranked team since 2014.

Edited January 13, 2022 by AuxiliA

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, AuxiliA said:

 

Agree both are underwhelming in SENA, but they aren't even close to being the real problem. It's always beneficial to have a good spinner no matter the conditions. Both can bat so that's a plus. 

 

Batting has become a joke. Rahane has overtaken Azhar as the biggest scam in Indian cricket. Is not for the bowling, we would have stayed a no 4-5 ranked team since 2014.

 

yes. It is an exaggerated concern. It looks horrible because he is a no.7 batsman. They are forcing a no.8 batsman to bat at no.7 due to lack of fast bowling all rounder.  Thakur is hit or miss. Shami/Bumrah/Siraj are walking wickets. Basiclally 5 easy wickets every time when we face teams like SA in SA or NZ in NZ.  It is a highly imbalanced side.  You need 7 genuine batsmen in these conditions. 

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

yes. It is an exaggerated concern. It looks horrible because he is a no.7 batsman. They are forcing a no.8 batsman to bat at no.7 due to lack of fast bowling all rounder.  Thakur is hit or miss. Shami/Bumrah/Siraj are walking wickets. Basiclally 5 easy wickets every time when we face teams like SA in SA or NZ in NZ.  It is a highly imbalanced side.  You need 7 genuine batsmen in these conditions. 

no then bowling will be weak.

 

6 bats are enough as long as they are the best 5+ best WK available.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

no then bowling will be weak.

 

6 bats are enough as long as they are the best 5+ best WK available.

 

IN current form it is an exaggeration to call some of them batsmen. Borrowing LEgend Dodda Ganesh's words

 

 

 

[AuxiliA]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

yes. It is an exaggerated concern. It looks horrible because he is a no.7 batsman. They are forcing a no.8 batsman to bat at no.7 due to lack of fast bowling all rounder.  Thakur is hit or miss. Shami/Bumrah/Siraj are walking wickets. Basiclally 5 easy wickets every time when we face teams like SA in SA or NZ in NZ.  It is a highly imbalanced side.  You need 7 genuine batsmen in these conditions. 

 

We can't compromise our (only) strength which is bowling. Besides many of our bowlers are injury prone. We need 5 bowlers. 

 

Jadeja/Ashwin + Thakur can combine to be more than a pure batsman. Pant is good too. Problem doesn't lie with the lower order, it's the top 5 which needs fixing.

 

It's a travesty that younger batsmen with more range like Iyer, Mayank have been ignored for a serial under achiever like Rahane. 

[maniac]

Jadeja and Ashwin are actually equally interchangeable. Maybe to a point I agree that Jadeja has improved his batting which should give him an edge over Ashwin. However I can bet  whatever that we would be abusing Jadeja too had he played in these conditions. Jadeja is not a Warne + Lara combo, he is Jadeja. Just about adequate. Then there would be outrage why Ashwin was dropped.

 

I still feel Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar are the top 3 spinners we have. Cupboard is bare for now. Bishnoi etc are not ready. When was the last time they even played FC cricket ?

 

Till then suck it up and accept the fact that 1 or a combo of them will continue playing how much ever you whine because that’s what we have.

[Vijy]

axar could have been a handful with his higher accuracy, more bounce, higher speed, etc. his batting would not be a big downgrade over ashwin - even he could make a 40-odd in one innings.

[Lord]

17 hours ago, maniac said:

Jadeja and Ashwin are actually equally interchangeable. Maybe to a point I agree that Jadeja has improved his batting which should give him an edge over Ashwin. However I can bet  whatever that we would be abusing Jadeja too had he played in these conditions. Jadeja is not a Warne + Lara combo, he is Jadeja. Just about adequate. Then there would be outrage why Ashwin was dropped.

 

I still feel Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar are the top 3 spinners we have. Cupboard is bare for now. Bishnoi etc are not ready. When was the last time they even played FC cricket ?

 

Till then suck it up and accept the fact that 1 or a combo of them will continue playing how much ever you whine because that’s what we have.

 

Kuldeep should be the next Test spinner star if hes backed. Has good numbers but not backed enough

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Kuldeep should be the next Test spinner star if hes backed. Has good numbers but not backed enough

it's not just about backing. he lost both form and confidence, and needs to recover them first. second, his pace is too slow - you can beat batsmen with variety, but they will have time to readjust if the pace is slow.

 

however, if he gets back to form, he is our best bet.

Edited January 14, 2022 by Vijy

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, Vijy said:

it's not just about backing. he lost both form and confidence, and needs to recover them first. second, his pace is too slow - you can beat batsmen with variety, but they will have time to readjust if the pace is slow.

 

however, if he gets back to form, he is our best bet.

 

how would be get form and confidence without playing?He last played v Eng as 3rd spinner and did okay.Since then Jayant has been preferred over him for some reason.

 

Already has fifer in Aus. His bowling is suited to not so spin friendly tracks

[Vijy]

Just now, Lord said:

 

how would be get form and confidence without playing?He last played v Eng as 3rd spinner and did okay.Since then Jayant has been preferred over him for some reason.

 

Already has fifer in Aus. His bowling is suited to not so spin friendly tracks

needs to play FC and/or A team. In Ind, he will not be selected since we prepare dustbowls and prefer spinners who bat - Axar, Jaddu, Sundar, Ashwin, etc. So, it seems unlikely he will play anytime soon in the int'l team

 

 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

needs to play FC and/or A team. In Ind, he will not be selected since we prepare dustbowls and prefer spinners who bat - Axar, Jaddu, Sundar, Ashwin, etc. So, it seems unlikely he will play anytime soon in the int'l team

 

 

 

there is no FC happening. Was ignored for A tour for K Gowtham,Saurabh Kumar and R Chahar. No way are these guys better than Kuldeep

[ash]

18 hours ago, maniac said:

Jadeja and Ashwin are actually equally interchangeable. Maybe to a point I agree that Jadeja has improved his batting which should give him an edge over Ashwin. However I can bet  whatever that we would be abusing Jadeja too had he played in these conditions. Jadeja is not a Warne + Lara combo, he is Jadeja. Just about adequate. Then there would be outrage why Ashwin was dropped.

 

I still feel Ashwin, Jadeja and Axar are the top 3 spinners we have. Cupboard is bare for now. Bishnoi etc are not ready. When was the last time they even played FC cricket ?

 

Till then suck it up and accept the fact that 1 or a combo of them will continue playing how much ever you whine because that’s what we have.

if the idea is to find a spinner who is a batsman first then it is better to go for options like Sundar, Baba Aparajith etc. 

[vvvslaxman]

Both Jaddu and Ashwin will disappear from Test albeit for different reasons. Jaddu will try to prolong his IPL career. Ashwin is nearing his retirement age.

[dilliboy]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Both Jaddu and Ashwin will disappear from Test albeit for different reasons. Jaddu will try to prolong his IPL career. Ashwin is nearing his retirement age.

Yeah Sundar and Axar are likely to be long term options.. I don't trust Sundar's bowling to be a consistent wicket threat though... He might be more suited to overseas conditions 

[Vilander]

Irritated with Ashwin. Jadeja is similar he would have done Jack ****, may be try Sundar in their place. 

[Vilander]

On 1/13/2022 at 12:44 PM, AuxiliA said:

Rahane has overtaken Azhar as the biggest scam in Indian cricket history.

Rahane Pujara need to be looked at may be better batsmen in touring squad already 

[R!TTER]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

he lost both form and confidence, and needs to recover them first.

He lost form in T20, then poor handling throughout the WC 2019. Why was he dropped for tests?

[The Dark Horse]

Ashwin has only himself to blame. What a disappointment

[Vijy]

12 hours ago, R!TTER said:

He lost form in T20, then poor handling throughout the WC 2019. Why was he dropped for tests?

because the selectors are morons?