The Indian Pace Bowling Pool need more Bounce Bowlers ... We suffered in South Africa because we could not use bounce as a weapon against ther top 6 batters

[Nikhil_cric]

12 hours ago, Mosher said:

We are talking about Prasidh in tests and thought he was with the test squad but he is out there in Northampton playing practice T20 match.

He should be used only in Tests and ODI's. Not sure why the management play bowlers in random formats. Very unprofessional. 

[vayuu1]

Arshdeep, yash,Mohsin, prasidh, Saini , all well over 6 feet high arm action,and can generate good bounce also apart from arshdeep other's can generate good pace add Mukesh who is a swing bowler and you have excellent mix of fast bowler along with current bowlers and then we have out and out quicks in umran and Tyagi 

[express bowling]

Prasidh

Tyagi

Mohsin

Khaleel

 

These are the tall bounce bowlers who can work in international cricket.

 

Sen can work too.

 

Arshdeep does not get enough bounce for his height and is too slow.

 

Dayal looks a bit under international class.

 

[express bowling]

The start of the 2nd innings has been like the SA tests.

 

Indian pacers have just tried to depend on movement ( which isn't there ) and haven't used bounce as a weapon.

[Suhaan]

Pitch has slowed down and wrong lengths adding to misery

[Jay]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

The start of the 2nd innings has been like the SA tests.

 

Indian pacers have just tried to depend on movement ( which isn't there ) and haven't used bounce as a weapon.

roller effect. got to use bouncers. 

[dilliboy]

Khaleel could be a good test bowler I feel... Why hasn't he been tried in Tests? 

[express bowling]

Indian pacers have lost the zip and bounce that they regularly got during 2016 to 2021.

 

Now, they are totally dependant on movement.

 

If the ball is not moving then our zip-less bowlers are sitting ducks.

 

We desperately need a couple of new pacers who get zip and bounce off thd deck.  And also remember that they will take some time to settle down. 

[singhvivek141]

10 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Indian pacers have lost the zip and bounce that they regularly got during 2016 to 2021.

 

Now, they are totally dependant on movement.

 

If the ball is not moving then our zip-less bowlers are sitting ducks.

 

We desperately need a couple of new pacers who get zip and bounce off thd deck.  And also remember that they will take some time to settle down. 

That's not gonna happen, we are too reluctant to try new pacers (even Siraj got a proper run in Australia when everyone was injured).
We effectively have only 2 all condition bowlers (Bumrah + Shami) supported by Siraj, Thakur, Umesh based on conditions (Ishant is currently out of picture).

Anyway, we aren't touring overseas this year for Tests. So I am sure, everyone will forget about it once we'll start winning in India.

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

We effectively have only 2 all condition bowlers (Bumrah + Shami) supported by Siraj, Thakur, Umesh based on conditions (Ishant is currently out of picture).

Anyway, we aren't touring overseas this year for Tests. So I am sure, everyone will forget about it once we'll start winning in India.

 

 

Even Bumrah and Shami have been under par this year  They used to fire cannon balls in the 2017 to 2021 period ... but are just placing the ball there in 2022.

 

Siraj needs to be replaced by a bounce bowler like Prasidh.

[Adamant]

Peak Ishant isn't there. 

 

Thats it, that's the problem. 

 

No, Prasidh is nowhere near. 

[Adamant]

In between all the hoopla about 90mph pacers, India is missing Ishant who used to bowl in the 130s.

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Peak Ishant isn't there. 

 

Thats it, that's the problem. 

 

No, Prasidh is nowhere near. 

You don't know that. First let him play dude lmao. This guy. Prasidh has very good bounce. He did well in A tours.

 

But problem with *ing Indian players is they get rich quick once they perform well. Their life will be set and then our players resort to slacking off and just coasting along. 5 years like I said. Max for these clowns. 

[Texan]

In my opinion, we need to groom Prasidh, Mohsin and Umran.

 

Out of these, Prasidh already has the FC credentials to suggest that he can be wicket taking. He is also already 26 years old, which generally is the start of the peak age for fast bowlers when they can put in consistent performances without their bodies breaking down. I feel like Prasidh should be right away be moved into Siraj's place. 

 

Mohsin and Umran lack FC experience. Instead of Ranjis, I feel it will be more valuable to include them on away A tours as that is where we really need them to perform. If Mohsin can sustain his accuracy, movement and pace over an entire day's play, there is nothing like it. Umran can add that X-factor when things aren't going according to plan. 

 

Replacing Thakur is a little more complex since he also contributes with the bat. But giving away runs at 6 an over in Tests is not acceptable. If Pandya can bowl 10-15 overs in a day with hostility, then Pandya could be an option. But based on what we have seen of Pandya, he seems to avoid bowling much to prevent injuries. So, not sure how we solve the number 8 batsman issue with a bowler who can bat a bit. 

[singhvivek141]

19 minutes ago, Texan said:

Replacing Thakur is a little more complex since he also contributes with the bat. But giving away runs at 6 an over in Tests is not acceptable. If Pandya can bowl 10-15 overs in a day with hostility, then Pandya could be an option. But based on what we have seen of Pandya, he seems to avoid bowling much to prevent injuries. So, not sure how we solve the number 8 batsman issue with a bowler who can bat a bit. 

There can be 2 alternatives
1. Deepak Chahar : (not sure if he's better than Shardul, but surely an alternate, fitter as well)
2. Raj vardhan Hangargekar : Wild Card, has shown hitting ability. If can perform consistently then it can be one.

Edited July 5, 2022 by singhvivek141

[Singh bling]

Indian cricket hardly produce around 6-6" bowlers . Look at volleyball league so many Indians of this height but in cricket hardly their.

[Mesky99]

1 hour ago, Singh bling said:

Indian cricket hardly produce around 6-6" bowlers . Look at volleyball league so many Indians of this height but in cricket hardly their.

Good point, our pacers have just got shorter in height, in the 90s all our pacers were quite tall, I guess even from 2000-12 we had some tall pacers, the only under six foot pacers were sreesanth and agarkar.

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Singh bling said:

Indian cricket hardly produce around 6-6" bowlers . Look at volleyball league so many Indians of this height but in cricket hardly their.

 

 

Don't have to be 6'6" pacers.

 

Even 6'2" or 6'3" pacers with high arm action and ability yo hit the deck hard, will do.

 

Prasidh, Tyagi, Khaleel, Sen, Mohsin ... all get steep bounce. 

 

 

Edited July 5, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

15 hours ago, express bowling said:

Indian pacers have lost the zip and bounce that they regularly got during 2016 to 2021.

 

Now, they are totally dependant on movement.

 

If the ball is not moving then our zip-less bowlers are sitting ducks.

 

We desperately need a couple of new pacers who get zip and bounce off thd deck.  And also remember that they will take some time to settle down. 

Bumrah was the lone warrior,India were failed by Siraj,Shami and Thakur(who was anyway the weaklink)

Siraj has developed a habit of bowling most of the times with wobbled seam , difficult to generate bounce from there

Shami was never a SENA bowler

His lengths are not conducive for SENA bowling

Monotonic approach for the major part of the innings while bowling,no effort to hit top of off no bouncers tried to unsettle batsmen early

 

We should have been flexible with our approach ,TM doesn't care about conditions,they were thinking same attack will do well in all kind of surfaces

Anyway,we have to groom the next generation in both batting and bowling and that should be condition specific

[Suhaan]

Our slip fielding adds to the woes

Bairstow was dropped ,it was a sitter at this level,given the conditions it was "catches win matches" kind of situation

 

Inform batsman got what he wanted