tweaker 8,462 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Rahane,Pujara should have been dropped ,Virat has lost his fo,focus ,have problem with BCCI administration. So who are the young middle order batsman who can play in the batting position 3,4,5. Iyer should have been automatic choice after his on debut 100,but he was not considered due to experience of Pujara and Rahane. Vihari has been with the team but he always makes way for the experienced duo Who are the next young middle order batsman who can play in the middle order. Link to post
Real McCoy 6,545 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Kohli still has something to give to Indian cricket. Purane not so much. Give Iyer and Vihari a go for the time being and blood others in Ranji later on. Adamant and Frustrated 2 Link to post
Nikola 5,440 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Considering Rohit & Rahul will keep opening for next 2/3 years and then Rahul & maybe Shaw i will say Gill should be tried at #5 position and maybe Vihari at #3. Link to post
SRT100 3,126 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Replace Pujara, Kohli and Rahane with Shaw, Gill and Iyer. I have much more faith in this new trio to score more than a hundred amongst them in the next 100 innings. Lets not forget, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane provided India with just one 100 in the last 105 innings they played collectively, speaks volumes of why India struggled at times. Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Vihari,Gill,Sundar Iyer and Mayank aren't overseas options Majestic, wanted_desi and Frustrated 3 Link to post
sarchasm 4,508 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Guys naming Sundar in MO is batshit crazy. He averages mid 30s in FC cricket. There has to be a minimum level of performance, and not just potential or a knock here and there, before someone can be seriously considered for a specific role. I am all for Sundar as a spin AR in team rightaway but accommodating him in MO is laughable. Majestic, jusarrived and AuxiliA 1 2 Link to post
jusarrived 2,976 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 surprisingly we have a few decent prospects for opening, so I would bring KL down the order . No Iyer or Vihari. Panchal/Rohit Eeswaran/Rohit KL Kohli Gill Pant Link to post
jusarrived 2,976 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, sarchasm said: Guys naming Sundar in MO is batshit crazy. He averages mid 30s in FC cricket. There has to be a minimum level of performance, and not just potential or a knock here and there, before someone can be seriously considered for a specific role. I am all for Sundar as a spin AR in team rightaway but accommodating him in MO is laughable. +1000 . I know he did well in Aus, hes not a Top6 batsmen . Link to post
tweaker 8,462 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 (edited) Who are other players who have played for A team who can be considered.Most of the names that came forward are openers ie Ruturaj,Shaw,Jaiswal,Eashwaran,Panchal, If any other name can be considered is Surya Yadav Don't have any idea about outstanding middle order batsman from Ranji top teams ie Mumbai,Karnataka, Delhi,Tamil Nadu etc There were some players Vijay Jol,Baba Aparajith but due to cancellation of Ranjis only those players who have played in A team would be considered Edited January 17 by tweaker Link to post
Sandeep99 4,792 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I don't know about the middle order but India needs to blood Sundar at #6. An able batsman and a useful offie. Can really churn some game changing partnerships with Pant at 7. Lord 1 Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, sarchasm said: Guys naming Sundar in MO is batshit crazy. He averages mid 30s in FC cricket. There has to be a minimum level of performance, and not just potential or a knock here and there, before someone can be seriously considered for a specific role. I am all for Sundar as a spin AR in team rightaway but accommodating him in MO is laughable. He played 12 FC games before his Test debut,last one being in 2017.If thats a good sample,why not 4 recent Tests where he averages 66.25 He started as a spinner who can bat but now improved his batting and based on what he shown,no reason he can't replace Rahane at 5. OTOH his spin bowling is not good enough even for an AR. Sehwag level where he'll have odd good spell here and there Link to post
Sandeep99 4,792 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, sarchasm said: Guys naming Sundar in MO is batshit crazy. He averages mid 30s in FC cricket. There has to be a minimum level of performance, and not just potential or a knock here and there, before someone can be seriously considered for a specific role. I am all for Sundar as a spin AR in team rightaway but accommodating him in MO is laughable. We have a dearth of batsmen who can bowl. Considering this, Sundar can be an excellent addition at 6. He has a better defensive game than most of the other youngsters and has a good head on his shoulders. I'm somehow certain that he will bring a degree of calm when he plays. With his temperament, he will be an excellent addition and the missing link of our test team. Link to post
Sandeep99 4,792 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 11 minutes ago, Lord said: He played 12 FC games before his Test debut,last one being in 2017.If thats a good sample,why not 4 recent Tests where he averages 66.25 He started as a spinner who can bat but now improved his batting and based on what he shown,no reason he can't replace Rahane at 5. OTOH his spin bowling is not good enough even for an AR. Sehwag level where he'll have odd good spell here and there His spin is more than enough when we tour the likes of New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. In England we can play 1 more specialist spinner and in sub continent, we can play 2 other spinners and 2 fast. Lord 1 Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Just now, Sandeep99 said: His spin is more than enough when we tour the likes of New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. In England we can play 1 more specialist spinner and in sub continent, we can play 2 other spinners and 2 fast. yes overseas its enough as mostly holding an end is required. At home though hes not good enough to be spin AR yet as we saw in home series v England. The main point is that he is a batsman who can bowl. Sandeep99 1 Link to post
rkt.india 17,848 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, jusarrived said: +1000 . I know he did well in Aus, hes not a Top6 batsmen . He originally is an opener. Just because he got labelled as a spinner due to IPL doesn't make him a spinner. He at best is a part-time spinner. He should focus on making into top 6 as a batsman. Edited January 17 by rkt.india Lord, Vijy and tweaker 3 Link to post
sarchasm 4,508 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 40 minutes ago, Lord said: He played 12 FC games before his Test debut,last one being in 2017.If thats a good sample,why not 4 recent Tests where he averages 66.25 He started as a spinner who can bat but now improved his batting and based on what he shown,no reason he can't replace Rahane at 5. OTOH his spin bowling is not good enough even for an AR. Sehwag level where he'll have odd good spell here and there He did not play as a middle order bat in any of the tests. Playing as a MO bat and succeeding is not the same as getting some scores down the order. In those 4 tests even Shardul will have a decent enough average. Sundar looked the part but he has to actually put in performances in FC matches batting up the order before he can make a serious case as a MO bat for India. If potential were the be all then I'd be pimping Jaiswal for opening slot nonstop on this forum ahead of Rohit/Rahul. But I'd wait till he puts up the numbers in two domestic seasons at the very least. Link to post
sarchasm 4,508 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 34 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said: We have a dearth of batsmen who can bowl. Considering this, Sundar can be an excellent addition at 6. He has a better defensive game than most of the other youngsters and has a good head on his shoulders. I'm somehow certain that he will bring a degree of calm when he plays. With his temperament, he will be an excellent addition and the missing link of our test team. We do not have a dearth of batsmen. There's Sarfaraz, Vihari, and Iyer who are all capable at number 5/6. Sundar is promising but there's no way he can get ahead of three names above who have put up vastly more impressive numbers than him for a vastly longer time. Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Sundar can play at 6 in India since Pant is good enough to play at 5. 7-9 would be the spin trio of Ashwin, Jaddu and Axar. This will give Sundar enough cushion both above and below to allow him to develop. over time, he may transition up the order or stay at 6. Lord 1 Link to post
Majestic 1,536 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Sundar can play at 6 and Pant is also a no 6 for me unless he shows more consistency. A special knock once in a while is good for no.6 but not for 5. We need a 43-44 or more averaging batsman at both no 3 and 5 assuming they average over 35 in SENA. That is the expectation from our no.3 and no.5. We should try Gill at 3, Kohli will continue at 4 and 5 is a spot for guys like Vihari, Iyer etc to make it their own. Link to post
