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India's chasing era gone for good?


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2 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

 Problem is more fundamental i.e 

1) We just don't take wickets with the new ball as evidenced by the stats since 2019 where our average is the worst of all teams who have played this format plus no good leggies unlike when we had Kulcha

2) Our seniors are playing 90s style cricket where 300 is an excellent score and you should focus on not losing wickets in the PP. We used to bat more aggressively and score more quickly in the 00s which is just inexcusable imo.

 

Great points bro !

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All said and done chasing is an art. Not many is calculative enough to pull off chases while protecting the wicket. LOt more decision making comes into picture. When to attack when to rotate.  Dhoni with the help of Yuvi/Raina started it. Kohli perfected it. Rohit is not a bad chaser either.  It will be interesting to see who will take up the responsibility of chasing big totals once these 2 left.  

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57 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Why wasn't sky played btw? He was literally MOTS in last ODI series. If they want to fit in 6th bowling option, just bench pant and let rahul keep (or let pant open in Dhawans place)

Because Kohli had to be played.

 

Different matter that neither Dhawan and Kohli should have been playing. But now that they will play all 3 ODIs, Dhawan obviously cannot play anywhere else so blocks the opener slot,  it's better to push Kohli down to 5-6 in a finisher role but then that will never happen

 

 

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Kohli and Dhoni were two lynch pins when they won during those chases.Kohli's batting has gone to dogs, I don't think he has anything left in  him.This team needs new batting talent not this moronic Pandya type overhyped players.They need legitmate batting talents.

 

This is the right time to rebuild this team, when they are losing with experienced players, you might as well lose with new youngsters.They will gain experience.Why is Bumrah playing in these matches again.

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54 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Kohli and Dhoni were two lynch pins when they won during those chases.Kohli's batting has gone to dogs, I don't think he has anything left in  him.This team needs new batting talent not this moronic Pandya type overhyped players.They need legitmate batting talents.

 

This is the right time to rebuild this team, when they are losing with experienced players, you might as well lose with new youngsters.They will gain experience.Why is Bumrah playing in these matches again.

 

 

Prithvi shaw/Shubhman Gill deserve a look in this format. 

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Prithvi shaw/Shubhman Gill deserve a look in this format. 

Shaw will be always hit and miss.I don't think he ever will be consistent.Gill is looking more like 1990s odi player than 2020 player.Does he have ability to play with 100 plus SR on regular basis, his huge back lift will always be a problem.But no harm is trying him.

 

This team needs complete overhaul.For that to happen they need to have an identity, what exactly are they want their strength to be is yet to be determined.England did that but you need a strong captain/coach for that to happen.

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13 minutes ago, Vijy said:

today was one more example of how to bottle a chase. none of top 6 scored big at high SR and then the  tail couldn't chase 10 runs in 3 overs with 3 wkts left.

Typically happens in teams with divided dressing rooms and where the communication channels are broken. Expect this to get worse once Rohit comes back.

Kohli-Iyer partnership - there was hardly any discussion between the two

KL Rahul sitting and laughing on the team balcony with Kohli and Dhawan was a clue of what is happening in the team.

 

May be reading too much but the team environment isn't looking healthy at all.

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On 1/22/2022 at 2:07 PM, Vijy said:

yes, he was a gun chaser in ODI WC and CT knockouts.

So which player has chased more 320 in any knockout match in history of cricket.let these bozos chase anything in regular matches first. 2019 semis is one match I blame Kohli others were gone before they came to bat. 

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1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

India was a gun chasing team with Dhoni/Yuvi and later Kohli took it to next level. once Kohli's form declined our chasing ability has taken a dip.  It might get worse if India don't phase out oldies.

The difference was Kohli was groomed at right time. Kohli as captain was very poor he didn’t select youngsters and groomed them properly. 

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