AKane Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I hope someone advises Shardul to up his pace to 140 kph. At his height with the low pace, his bowling will not be effective in any form of the game. The crack in the pitch he exploited in T2 was a gift which will not happen again. He is a bowler first - he has forgotten it. He has to focus on his bowling speed - else he is done. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, AKane said: I hope someone advises Shardul to up his pace to 140 kph. At his height with the low pace, his bowling will not be effective in any form of the game. The crack in the pitch he exploited in T2 was a gift which will not happen again. He is a bowler first - he has forgotten it. He has to focus on his bowling speed - else he is done. he can't up it with his current fitness. even 135 kph seems difficult Link to comment
AKane Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Vijy said: he can't up it with his current fitness. even 135 kph seems difficult Yes and he is 30 - if he gets dropped at 31.... it gets harder to come back fitter. But he has to realize what he has to do fitness wise.... else it is over for him in the national team. I think he can do it but will he? With this guy Dravid and the kind of advice he will get..... even today Dravid was just talking about Shardul and Chahar's batting. As @express bowling I think said .... "That is not their job". Yes - their job is bowling, taking wickets and restricting runs. But will Dravid let them do that.... Dravid did talk about wicket taking options in middle overs but wrt spinners mostly. Edited January 24, 2022 by AKane Vijy and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Vijy Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, AKane said: Yes and he is 30 - if he gets dropped at 31.... it gets harder to come back fitter. But he has to realize what he has to do fitness wise.... else it is over for him in the national team. I think he can do it but will he? With this guy Dravid and the kind of advice he will get..... even today Dravid was just talking about Shardul and Chahar's batting. As @express bowling I think said .... "That is not their job". Yes - their job is bowling, taking wickets and restricting runs. But will Dravid let them do that.... Dravid did talk about wicket taking options in middle overs but wrt spinners mostly. dravid is entirely built around defensive trundlers who bat AKane and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, AKane said: Yes and he is 30 - if he gets dropped at 31.... it gets harder to come back fitter. But he has to realize what he has to do fitness wise.... else it is over for him in the national team. I think he can do it but will he? With this guy Dravid and the kind of advice he will get..... even today Dravid was just talking about Shardul and Chahar's batting. As @express bowling I think said .... "That is not their job". Yes - their job is bowling, taking wickets and restricting runs. But will Dravid let them do that.... Dravid did talk about wicket taking options in middle overs but wrt spinners mostly. Hardik Pandya's supposed bowling ability led us to drop a strike pacer like Shami in so many critical ODIs. And we could not win most of them. It will now happen with Chahar and Shardul. They will play that odd cameo and end up playing together. And sh!t up the pace bowling department with their floaty military medium stuff. If they are so good with the bat, let both of them play in the top 7. And leave the bowling to proper pacers. SRT100 and Mosher 1 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Vijy said: he can't up it with his current fitness. even 135 kph seems difficult That means he has to up his fitness, isn't it ? Looks like Rakheem Cornwall is becoming his fitness idol. rollingstoned, Mosher and Vijy 3 Link to comment
deepdynamo Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Deepak Chahar provides more value than Shardul at No. 8/9 since he can bowl with new ball and actually has a nack of picking early wicket ( unlike bumrah). Shardul bowling is more miss than hit. But, I will play both of them in next T20 world cup since its in Australia. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 13 hours ago, bahadur_billa said: Chahar looks better than Shardul in first powerplay. But both can't bowl in death overs. Both should be playing all three ODIs vs West Indies. In that case our pace bowling will be very toothless with 2 trundlers. Only 1 can make it to the eleven. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Clarke Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Prolly everyone noticed by now, two things we have in abundance, at least in categorizing: Openers: Rohit Dhawan Rahul already open, and potentials: Gill Shaw Mayank and even others we hear on the forum 5th bowler: Thakur Chahar Jadeja Sundar Hardik and some others tried like Jayant Tells us we're missing core areas like middle order batsmen and most of bowling other than Bumrah & Shami, other than the fact that they're categorized as 5th bowler since they're not doing well enough as main bowler and have some batting to fill in. Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, Clarke said: 5th bowler: Thakur Chahar Jadeja Sundar Hardik and some others tried like Jayant Tells us we're missing core areas like middle order batsmen and most of bowling other than Bumrah & Shami, other than the fact that they're categorized as 5th bowler since they're not doing well enough as main bowler and have some batting to fill in. Problem is that, we are often playing 5th bowlers as 3rd and 4th bowlers. Mosher, AKane and SRT100 1 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, prudent_kreeda said: In that case our pace bowling will be very toothless with 2 trundlers. Only 1 can make it to the eleven. Exactly ! Maximum 1 trundler. Even there, it would nice if we can get a big hitter spinner or a proper pacer like Hangargekar at No.8. And play 3 proper strike bowlers after that. Edited January 24, 2022 by express bowling Adamant and Mosher 2 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, express bowling said: Problem is that, we are often playing 5th bowlers as 3rd and 4th bowlers. Our main bowlers haven't been any better, that's why. Bumrah looks a pale shadow of himself, no yorkers, finding it difficult to get any lift, drifting too much on the pads. Less said about the spinners the better. The new coaching set up seem to love slower balls (didn't see many knuckle balls introduced by Bharat Arun). If the trend continues better to play both Thakur and Chahar, will not do any worse than the main bowlers and will extend our batting Link to comment
Adamant Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Exactly ! Maximum 1 trundler. Even there, it would nice if we can get a big hitter spinner or a proper pacer like Hangargekar at No.8. And play 3 proper strike bowlers after that. I gave it a thought and only way we can have a good bowling attack and balanced team is by playing two spin allrounders and 3 proper pacers which you said yesterday. I mean spin stocks are already down in dumps, so let's not even pretend that we have a good spinner and just carry on with whatever darters we get if they can score some runs down the order. Banton and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Adamant said: I gave it a thought and only way we can have a good bowling attack and balanced team is by playing two spin allrounders and 3 proper pacers which you said yesterday. I mean spin stocks are already down in dumps, so let's not even pretend that we have a good spinner and just carry on with whatever darters we get if they can score some runs down the order. I agree. Link to comment
Jay Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, express bowling said: Exactly ! Maximum 1 trundler. Even there, it would nice if we can get a big hitter spinner or a proper pacer like Hangargekar at No.8. And play 3 proper strike bowlers after that. That's why I want mavi or hangeraker to be groomed quickly for number 8 or 9 spot. express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 47 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: Our main bowlers haven't been any better, that's why. Bumrah looks a pale shadow of himself, no yorkers, finding it difficult to get any lift, drifting too much on the pads. Less said about the spinners the better. The new coaching set up seem to love slower balls (didn't see many knuckle balls introduced by Bharat Arun). If the trend continues better to play both Thakur and Chahar, will not do any worse than the main bowlers and will extend our batting The situation has come to this because we have not looked beyond Bumrah, Bhuvi and sometimes Shami and Deepak as strike bowlers. I want us to try Prasidh and Siraj in ODIs and Siraj, Avesh and Umran in T20Is as the specialist pacers ... give them atleast 10 games and see whether they look like wicket taking strike bowlers. I doubt we will win much if we play Deepak, Shardul and Bumrah / Bhuvi as pacers. Link to comment
anish2tweet Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 In that case, among the two I will pick Deepak in LOIs. But honestly don't want either.Dude, it is not about pace only in LOIs. If they can bowl 5 overs each and do some finishing work down the order, the job is done right? They are much better in bowling than V.IyerSent from my CPH1819 using Tapatalk Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, anish2tweet said: . If they can bowl 5 overs each and do some finishing work down the order, the job is done right? They are much better in bowling than V.Iyer If they are bowling 5 overs each then 4 other bowlers are needed ... which means both have to bat in the top 7. Lord and Vijy 1 1 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 49 minutes ago, express bowling said: The situation has come to this because we have not looked beyond Bumrah, Bhuvi and sometimes Shami and Deepak as strike bowlers. I want us to try Prasidh and Siraj in ODIs and Siraj, Avesh and Umran in T20Is as the specialist pacers ... give them atleast 10 games and see whether they look like wicket taking strike bowlers. I doubt we will win much if we play Deepak, Shardul and Bumrah / Bhuvi as pacers. if only these two had stepped up when we had KulCha still doing well. Would have meant lesser pressure on the bowlers to score runs with batting upto no. 8. If we have to pick bowlers bowling 130-132 kmph or slower, we should pick between Shardul, Chahar and Harshal. In fact, Shardul can bowl 135-140 (like he used to 2 years back before he put on some weight) if he gets fitter and can play as the 2nd pacer. Link to comment
Jay Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, express bowling said: The situation has come to this because we have not looked beyond Bumrah, Bhuvi and sometimes Shami and Deepak as strike bowlers. I want us to try Prasidh and Siraj in ODIs and Siraj, Avesh and Umran in T20Is as the specialist pacers ... give them atleast 10 games and see whether they look like wicket taking strike bowlers. I doubt we will win much if we play Deepak, Shardul and Bumrah / Bhuvi as pacers. Problem is our 3rd pacer has to be able to bat. Bumrah is at best a 12 run man vs pace in odi. Shami and siraj are just sloggers vs genuine pace and spin. Prasidh can't bat. The issue is thakur and chahar are more like 4th and 5th bowling options. 3rd one has to be a genuine pacer who can bat or is a wicket taker. Chennai superkings style team may work but ideally one of our 3 premier bowlers need to learn how to bat. Look at aussies; hazlewood, starc and Cummins. Cummins can hold the bat at 9. Starc can sort of slog a bit in odi. England? Wood can bat and he comes in at 9. Then you have Archer who can bat at 10. Lastly willey is no slouch either. Insane depth in batting. S Africa. Weak tail like us but imo better. Rabada at 9 can hold the bat and took a bit. Averages 17 ffs. Nortje and probably shamsi are weak batsmen. But they have depth till 9 too. Prime bhuvi would have been ok at 9 as he can bat. Current one? No. We need hangerakr or mavi. Also let's not forget Kiwis. Lockie and boult can't bar obviously. Southee can at 9. Or jammu at 9. We are the only top side (not either dravid selections) without a number 9 premier bowler who can bat and possesses an average of above 14. Ridiculous. nitinbwj 1 Link to comment
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