Austin 3:!6 9,982 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Think both are similar players. Both are swing bowlers who are handy bats as well. If you have to pick one, who would you pick in the team? Link to post
maniac 27,494 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Both over Jadeja. Play one specialist spinner like Bishnoi or someone. Next WT20 is in Australia. Hope one of our top order batsmen can at least learn to dart an over or 2 like Markram. nevada, rahulrulezz, Austin 3:!6 and 1 other 1 3 Link to post
bahadur_billa 144 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Chahar looks better than Shardul in first powerplay. But both can't bowl in death overs. Both should be playing all three ODIs vs West Indies. Edited January 23 by bahadur_billa raki05 and Austin 3:!6 2 Link to post
cricketfan28 824 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 none , should be jadeja Austin 3:!6 and Cricspin 1 1 Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 play both in ODIs. bowling will be poor, but it's not as though any of our "strike" bowlers like ashwin, chahal, and bumrah (in ODIs post-2019) are doing well. 1. The template of ODI batting is such that scores of 320-330 and above are almost imperative, 2. the job of bowlers is to bowl 10 overs for not-so-many runs and wkts don't matter greatly, and 3. we have lost most of our wkt taking bowlers - boom is poor in ODIs in past 2 yrs, shami is too old, kuldeep is out, chahal has regressed, rest don't merit a mention. based on this, I propose that the template should be to bat as deep as possible and have as many explosive players as possible. in other words, attempt to do what Eng (also NZ) did at their peak. 1. Shaw 2. Pant (wk) 3. Rohit (c) /Gill --> I believe that one consolidator is needed if early wkts fall. Moreover, Rohit/Gill should be able to score at 90 SR in theory. 4. Gaekwad/SKY --> Gaekwad has excellent game vs spin. moreover, at 4, he will have enough time to settle and go for big shots later 5. KLR/SKY --> choose wisely based on conditions 6. Sundar/Jaddu - don't be fooled by low avg and SR. Sundar can score at 100 SR in ODIs if given a run. 7. Hardik/V. Iyer - they should play only if they can function as 6th bowler. V. Iyer has not looked convincing, but 2 matches is too small sample size. 8. Thakur 9. D. Chahar 10. A. Patel 11. Bumrah/Siraj/Bishnoi/Prasidh --> choose as per conditions batting till 10. lot of flexibility since many of these players can be moved up and down the order. bowling is s**t, but we lack wkt taking bowlers anyway, so might as well as try and bat deep. raki05 and GautiMaan 1 1 Link to post
vvvslaxman 21,094 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Unless we have shami (peak shami) level bowler no bowler can get away with poor batting skill. Bumrah is already a bowler whose batting is not reliable. We cannot have more of him. Lord 1 Link to post
Pollack 8,661 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Both are poor in their primary JOB that is bowling. Lord, express bowling and Austin 3:!6 1 1 1 Link to post
raki05 10,699 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Think both are similar players. Both are swing bowlers who are handy bats as well. If you have to pick one, who would you pick in the team? Both should play if you can keep 2 useless malnourished spinners why can't you keep 2 good lower down the order bat, if possible bring Harshal Patel as well. Go full eng mode as I trust these 3 guys to add valuable 50-60 lower down the order in no time in t20. That's the mantra why CSK keep winning inspite of having budhha and geriatric in playing xi. Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Pollack said: Both are poor in their primary JOB that is bowling. quite true, but bowling has become peripheral in ODIs and T20s. That's why I wrote earlier in the thread about moving away from focusing on bowlers in ODIs/T20s raki05 and Pollack 1 1 Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Pollack said: Both are poor in their primary JOB that is bowling. true. need swing Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, raki05 said: Both should play if you can keep 2 useless malnourished spinners why can't you keep 2 good lower down the order bat, if possible bring Harshal Patel as well. Go full eng mode as I trust these 3 guys to add valuable 50-60 lower down the order in no time in t20. That's the mantra why CSK keep winning inspite of having budhha and geriatric in playing xi. that's what I also hypothesized earlier in the thread. raki05 1 Link to post
Majestic 1,534 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Unless we have shami (peak shami) level bowler no bowler can get away with poor batting skill. Bumrah is already a bowler whose batting is not reliable. We cannot have more of him. Shami is a far better batsman than this chewtiya Yuzi. Bumrah when he started batted at 11 and Yuzi batted at 10 but look at difference now. Bumrah is so much more assured than Yuzi. Vijy and raki05 1 1 Link to post
Banton 291 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Both should be in playing 11 Almost all bowlers are getting hit these days on flat roads like loi pitches. So India should aim for 350 while batting. You need batting depth to score 350+ in odi. Edited January 23 by Banton raki05, Vijy and nevada 3 Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Vijy said: quite true, but bowling has become peripheral in ODIs and T20s. That's why I wrote earlier in the thread about moving away from focusing on bowlers in ODIs/T20s still need atleast 3-4 strike bowlers.Shami is always ignored,there is Siraj,Bumrah and then Bishnoi etc Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Majestic said: Shami is a far better batsman than this chewtiya Yuzi. Bumrah when he started batted at 11 and Yuzi batted at 10 but look at difference now. Bumrah is so much more assured than Yuzi. shami is a better bowler, fielder, and batter. however, at 41, age is not on his side. Austin 3:!6 1 Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Banton said: Both should be in playing 11 Almost all bowlers are getting hit these days on flat rods loi pitches. So India should aim for 350 while batting. You need batting depth to score 350+ in odi. Agreed, this is one possible way to go as I wrote in my earlier post on this thread. Link to post
Vijy 5,545 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Lord said: still need atleast 3-4 strike bowlers.Shami is always ignored,there is Siraj,Bumrah and then Bishnoi etc shami is not in the best of fitness and is being preserved for Tests - he is also old and not long-term solution. bumrah is poor in ODIs since last 2 yrs - go look up his horrifying and horrible numbers. Siraj and Bishnoi unproven. If one scores 350 in most innings and can keep the opposition to 340, that is good enough. batting should be the theme going ahead in ODIs/T20s. relying on outmoded tactics and strategies will give us more 1st round losses. Link to post
Rantzz 505 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Both as well asJaddu and washi jaddu chahar thakur washi bumrah shami or Siraj or anyone quick 6 bowlers and batting till 9 Banton and anish2tweet 1 1 Link to post
Lord 7,594 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Vijy said: shami is not in the best of fitness and is being preserved for Tests - he is also old and not long-term solution. bumrah is poor in ODIs since last 2 yrs - go look up his horrifying and horrible numbers. Siraj and Bishnoi unproven. If one scores 350 in most innings and can keep the opposition to 340, that is good enough. batting should be the theme going ahead in ODIs/T20s. relying on outmoded tactics and strategies will give us more 1st round losses. I know about Bumrah. My point is Shami/Siraj partnering him will be different case. With your approach,we have to start hitting from start which these guys don't do Link to post
