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SRH have both Tyagi and Umran: Mouth watering

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5 hours ago, Vijy said:

I expect one of fragile booble and nattu to be injured (rotating). therefore, tyagi and umran will play most, albeit not all, games.

 

My preferred XI:

 

Abhishek Sharma --> freedom to tonk (AR)

Rahul Tripathi --> freedom to tonk

Kane Williamson --> anchor/overseas

Aiden Markram --> versatile MO/overseas AR

Glenn Philips/Nic Pooran --> versatile MO/overseas keeper

Abdul Samad --> power-hitting AR

Romario Shepherd --> power-fitting overseas AR [useful backups in abbott & jansen]

Washington Sundar --> off-spin AR

Shreyas Gopal/Booble Kumar --> use as per conditions; both can bat a bit

2 out of 3 from nattu, umran, and tyagi

 

 

Samad is not an AR. Any batsman who can just hurl the ball to the wk can't be called AR. 

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I don’t know why learning to bowl a knuckle or a slower ball is a bad thing.

 

Mark Wood, Archer  and Lockie Furgeson all have a killer slower balls.

 

From what I saw of Umran, he runs in bowls fast, that’s about it. At some point pace has to be complimented by skills and vice versa.

 

Obviously compromising on pace and only bowling knuckles is a problem. Isn’t that so obvious that we all agree on.
 

kuch bhi. Atleast back your fears with more tangible analysis.

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6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Samad is not an AR. Any batsman who can just hurl the ball to the wk can't be called AR. 

Samad isn’t much of a batsman too from what I have seen of him so far. Yes he has power and timing when the ball is in his arc kind of like ocean smith or ocean Smith or whatever the WI allrounder name is .


He has 0 temperament or cricket awareness from what I have seen. Since he is young hope he learns. 

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Just now, Suhaan said:

There's an answer

That is not an answer. just seems like speculation or assumption. Bhuvi also picked up his pace a few years back when he was in SRH. 
 

Guys like Sandeep and Kaul were being played because of T.I.N.A factor because SRH  had problem with overseas combos. Top 3 all foreign bats + Rashid Khan.

 

SRH was punching above its weight all these years because of bowling. Few years back their fast  bowling line up was Steyn,Ishant, Siraj (who was really impressive with SRH), Thampi (who did well with SRH), Natarajan (who evolved into an international player and contributed well), Bhuvi (who improved his pace briefly).

 

Sure there was decline Bhuvi being injured and over the hill. 
 

Sandeep and Kaul had good seasons too where they were useful. Sandeep is actually a specialist new ball bowler and he did have success against top bats.

 

SRH always had a bowling culture so I am looking at this positively. I don’t understand the negativity.

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

That is not an answer. just seems like speculation or assumption. Bhuvi also picked up his pace a few years back when he was in SRH. 
 

Guys like Sandeep and Kaul were being played because of T.I.N.A factor because SRH  had problem with overseas combos. Top 3 all foreign bats + Rashid Khan.

 

SRH was punching above its weight all these years because of bowling. Few years back their fast  bowling line up was Steyn,Ishant, Siraj (who was really impressive with SRH), Thampi (who did well with SRH), Natarajan (who evolved into an international player and contributed well), Bhuvi (who improved his pace briefly).

 

Sure there was decline Bhuvi being injured and over the hill. 
 

Sandeep and Kaul had good seasons too where they were useful. Sandeep is actually a specialist new ball bowler and he did have success against top bats.

 

SRH always had a bowling culture so I am looking at this positively. I don’t understand the negativity.

SRH was top notch post Steyn days when Bhuvi was really swinging it,he has nothing to boast off apart from bowling 6 knuckle balls, ofcourse LockieArcher,Wood have deceptive slowers but that deception comes as a huge variation

With 120k trundlers bowling 6 slowers ones its innocuous bowling

They all have ability to swing,but all of them would have opened bowling anyway,their strategy was all about cutters , slowers etc which didn't work in other seasons

Sides need variety in their attack,you should understand it ,Tyagi already has good slower delivery,he doesn't need to over learn or overdo it

Umran hasn't played much we need to see a little more to make any opinion about him,maybe he too already has  good variations

Yes,Steyn is a great addition for these young kids

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6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

SRH was top notch post Steyn days when Bhuvi was really swinging it,he has nothing to boast off apart from bowling 6 knuckle balls, ofcourse LockieArcher,Wood have deceptive slowers but that deception comes as a huge variation

With 120k trundlers bowling 6 slowers ones its innocuous bowling

They all have ability to swing,but all of them would have opened bowling anyway,their strategy was all about cutters , slowers etc which didn't work in other seasons

Sides need variety in their attack,you should understand it ,Tyagi already has good slower delivery,he doesn't need to over learn or overdo it

Umran hasn't played much we need to see a little more to make any opinion about him,maybe he too already has  good variations

Yes,Steyn is a great addition for these young kids

 I don’t know what is different in what you are saying from what I have said now or before.

 

That fear that some how a person bowling 145+ will be turned into a dibbly dobbly trundler under a professional set up with highly paid coaches is dumb and irrational.

 

Sandeep and Kaul might not suit your taste but they did have some skills that worked on some pitches. That’s about it. That doesn’t make them the worst bowlers to play the game. Having too many such bowlers is an issue and that is why Umran was fast tracked and now Tyagi was sought after.

 

let’s step back a bit: what exactly seems to be your complain? You are telling me that SRH has a conspiracy  to identify fast bowlers in India and turn them into trundlers on purpose?

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9 minutes ago, maniac said:

 I don’t know what is different you are saying from what I have said now or before.

 

That fear that some how a person bowling 145+ will be turned into a dibbly dobbly trundler under a professional set up with highly paid coaches is dumb and irrational.

 

Sandeep and Kaul might not suit your taste but they did have some skills that worked on some pitches. That’s about it. That doesn’t make them the worst bowlers to play the game. Having too many such bowlers is an issue and that is why Umran was fast tracked and now Tyagi was sought after.

 

let’s step back a bit: what exactly seems to be your complain? You are telling me that SRH has a conspiracy  to identify fast bowlers in India and turn them into trundlers on purpose?

Umran wasn't fast tracked brother,he was an injury replacement

SRH were robotic in their approach by playing all trundler attack,you too know it well

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

step back a bit: what exactly seems to be your complain? You are telling me that SRH has a conspiracy  to identify fast bowlers in India and turn them into trundlers on purpose?

Hehe,no no

But they think bowling cutters, slowers all across 55-60 deliveries will always work for them,

Hope they give Umran,Tyagi proper run

The fear is just a concern,need to see how they show up this season and mostly been done on a lighter note,but yes i admit few of us are little concerned

 

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On 2/13/2022 at 9:52 AM, express bowling said:

I am really worried about Tyagi now.

 

Boobi and Natarajan maybe automatic picks.

 

Umran may get in because of his express pace. ( After all he was retained )

 

How will the fast, bouncy, hostile and tall Tyagi get to play !!!!

Not expected from you to use such unacceptable words

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On 2/13/2022 at 2:22 PM, express bowling said:

I am really worried about Tyagi now.

 

Boobi and Natarajan maybe automatic picks.

 

Umran may get in because of his express pace. ( After all he was retained )

 

How will the fast, bouncy, hostile and tall Tyagi get to play !!!!

If you ask me in terms of potential, i would say my rankings are prasidh then tyagi and followed by umran. I always maintained that ummie will need to be consistent with brutal bouncers to be as good as prasidh and tyagi. 

 

They are all good in their own right but my personal preference is a pure bounce based bowler. History has shown that a bowler who bowls with consistent bounce is harder to hit than even an ultra fast bowler. It's the truth. 

 

If ummie can develop that back of good length ball for rising deliveries then he can be as good as prasidh in the long run. Potential is certainly there. 

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1 hour ago, Jay said:

If you ask me in terms of potential, i would say my rankings are prasidh then tyagi and followed by umran. I always maintained that ummie will need to be consistent with brutal bouncers to be as good as prasidh and tyagi. 

 

They are all good in their own right but my personal preference is a pure bounce based bowler. History has shown that a bowler who bowls with consistent bounce is harder to hit than even an ultra fast bowler. It's the truth. 

 

If ummie can develop that back of good length ball for rising deliveries then he can be as good as prasidh in the long run. Potential is certainly there. 

ambrose, garner, mcgee, and so on.

 

best combo is to have an ultrafast bounce bowler, preferably left-arm.

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