Harshal Patel: how the hell does he manage to pick up wickets every time?

[Ankit_sharma03]

Gotta keep players with such skill in plans

 

• has a dipping slower ones which no one is picking (n when it ll be picked then we ll see)
• most importantly has performed again with dew around
• in death over he has performed for his team again n again 
• also can bat

[Ankit_sharma03]

the dip he gets makes it so hard to hit 

[msb1991]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Gotta keep players with such skill in plans

 

• has a dipping slower ones which no one is picking (n when it ll be picked then we ll see)
• most importantly has performed again with dew around
• in death over he has performed for his team again n again 
• also can bat

Agree. Also, I like that his quicker one is around 135kph. I think when a quicker one is under 130kph then it loses effectiveness against top quality batsmen. 

[Lord]

 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

if he relies completely on his slower balls, the novelty factor will be gone. it is working for now, but even in 2nd T20, we saw how it can be handled. I am not yet convinced that his slower balls alone will enable him to have a stable career in int'l cricket.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

if he relies completely on his slower balls, the novelty factor will be gone. it is working for now, but even in 2nd T20, we saw how it can be handled. I am not yet convinced that his slower balls alone will enable him to have a stable career in int'l cricket.

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

especially on the true bounce of Oz pitches unless he adds more dimensions to bowling

Edited February 20, 2022 by Vijy

[gakgupta]

especially on the true bounce of Oz pitches unless he adds more dimensions to bowling

Don't rule him out until he bowls over there...

But he deserves his run in T20s

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[vvvslaxman]

45 minutes ago, Lord said:

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

 

Depends on what length he bowls. In T20s best fast bowler in Australia has been Kane Richardson due to his exceptional slow balls. He probably sucked  for RCB. But in Australia he is a top bowler.

Edited February 20, 2022 by vvvslaxman

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

especially on the true bounce of Oz pitches unless he adds more dimensions to bowling

Faulkner does well in australia. If harshal can maintain 130-135 in Australia he will be perfectly fine provided he can generate revs On the ball. Watch Faulkner action. He sort of has a wrist spinner esque release which allows him to generate revs on the ball. Underrated bowler. Underrated even in first class scene.

[Vijy]

Just now, Jay said:

Faulkner does well in australia. If harshal can maintain 130-135 in Australia he will be perfectly fine provided he can generate revs On the ball. Watch Faulkner action. He sort of has a wrist spinner esque release which allows him to generate revs on the ball. Underrated bowler. Underrated even in first class scene.

yes, an underrated AR in short formats, but a real jerk (not referring to PSL, but also prior incidents).

[Jay]

5 minutes ago, Vijy said:

yes, an underrated AR in short formats, but a real jerk (not referring to PSL, but also prior incidents).

What òther cases? He was mysteriously dropped after WC win in 2015. He was supposed to be their next Watson.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

What òther cases? He was mysteriously dropped after WC win in 2015. He was supposed to be their next Watson.

I don't remember the exact incidents, but he has a chequered disciplinary record.

[Adamant]

11 hours ago, Lord said:

reverse is true

Really? 

In test you are aided by conditions and pitches, in lois you need the pace. 

Can check out stats of trundlers in odis vs tests wil clear this confusion for you. 

[Suhaan]

31 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Really? 

In test you are aided by conditions and pitches, in lois you need the pace. 

Can check out stats of trundlers in odis vs tests wil clear this confusion for you. 

Lois definitely we need pace to vary attack

In tests certain conditions do make up for less pace but not all conditions

Australia

SC conditions

To some extent SA

WI

are the places where we need more pace as well

But you are absolutely right to say we need more pace in LOIs, bowling performance in bilaterals don't mean much when conditions,pitches in ICC tourneys demand variety in your attack

2 fast bowler

1 fast medium

1 deceptive,slower,cutters specilist(call him trundler)

1 wrist spinner

Is necessary to have in your attack,if one/two or all of them have batting ability then nothing more to ask for,if not don't need to adulter the side with bits and pieces trundlers

[prudent_kreeda]

9 hours ago, Lord said:

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

 

Whatever may be the pitch - 

1. Yorker does not depend on pitch.

2. Dip in the air does not depend on pitch 

3.Revs imparted is not based on the pitch .

4. Degree of deviation is the one depends on the pitch . 

 

There are 3 elements of harshal's bowling which are not dependent on pitch.  Hence logically one cannot say with finality that he will be flop in Aus. 

 

The chances  of flop is more if 

1. He loses control over these variations.

2. His novelty factor comes down due to over exposure .

 

We should also expect him to be in contention  for  next T20WC and see if can play a part if he is not over exposed till WC . He may not be 3-4 year option. Better to use him in next WC T20 if he still keeps getting wickets  and move on from there.

Edited February 21, 2022 by prudent_kreeda

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Lord said:

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

yesterday n previous game their was dew , ball doesnt grip much in dew it skids 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Lord said:

on pitches that grip he'll be fine. But not suited to SENA conditions.

yesterday n previous game their was dew , ball doesnt grip much in dew it skids 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 hours ago, Vijy said:

if he relies completely on his slower balls, the novelty factor will be gone. it is working for now, but even in 2nd T20, we saw how it can be handled. I am not yet convinced that his slower balls alone will enable him to have a stable career in int'l cricket.

yes thats what did in bravo as well for few yrs, as he was getting older he started bowling a lot of slower ones making it easy for batsman. As long as harshal is mixing it up , it ll keep him good for long 

[Lone Wolf]

One thing that go in Harshal's favor in MCG is that it is a huge boundary..  Clearing his slower balls will take some doing. 

However in places like Sydney or Adelaide/Perth his slower ones will not grip.  I liked how he mixed it up last game & bowled around 135 kph as well.  If he mixes it up well then we can say he will successful like Faulkner was in his peak in Australia even tho Faulkner had a gun back of the hand slower ball.