ShoonyaSifar Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Let the young players be. Some will adapt to international cricket very quickly, some others take time. Kishan has played total 11 international innings so far, has looked very good in 4 of those. In between he went to SA for the A tour, batted beautifully there. Good that the TM is backing him. Expect him to convert one of those nervous starts very soon. Even Samson hasn't had a proper run, he will come good as well. Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment
SRT_1OO Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 @SRT100 is the only person’s here intellectual enough yo think kishan is better than dhawan Fans of selfish players hving the guts to judge others Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Chakdephatte said: @Ankit_sharma03, are you sure about Shaw wasting starts. What we saw in Sri Lanka was just three matches. He has an entire season of Vijay Hazare scoring hundreds for fun. He got like one 150 and and double as well. 20 24 40 43 13 49 thats his ODI career till now, TBH most young cricketers go through this and reason is at international good bowlers keep coming one after another Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Chakdephatte Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: 43 13 49 thats his ODI career till now, TBH most young cricketers go through this and reason is at international good bowlers keep coming one after another As I said just, one series. I am ignoring the NZ series when he was just 20. Sample size is jsut too small to prove anything. He played better in last IPL. He can only only so much without international exposure. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said: As I said just, one series. I am ignoring the NZ series when he was just 20. Sample size is jsut too small to prove anything. He played better in last IPL. He can only only so much without international exposure. again in IPL u dnt get one quality bowler after another, i agree he ll get better but as of now even he has many areas of concern Link to comment
Adamant Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Shaw should be Dhawan's backup in the ODI squad. Ishan need to improve. Link to comment
jusarrived Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 never rated him, good fringe player at best Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Good T20 player but don't rate him in other formats. For me, the priority is Tests > ODIs > T20s. Hence, Kishan or Samson just not belong to that league. After Kohli and Rohit, you have KL and Pant. Aside of that, who else is our all format batters? I would say Mayank and Shreyas. Link to comment
ungboysj Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Useless Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Majestic said: Good T20 player but don't rate him in other formats. For me, the priority is Tests > ODIs > T20s. Hence, Kishan or Samson just not belong to that league. After Kohli and Rohit, you have KL and Pant. Aside of that, who else is our all format batters? I would say Mayank and Shreyas. none are truly all-format now. Ro and Ko are a bit too tuk-tuk for T20. KL has not yet mastered Tests. Pant is the closest at the moment. Link to comment
Sean Bradley Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Shaw >>> Kishen, any day of the week. Shaw has proved himself in the past, whereas Kishen, comes across as a immature person, I see Virat Kohli behavioural traits in Kishen, which is his biggest Negative. Lord 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Seems to be a very limited hitter unfortunately. Doesn’t have a lot of innovation. Dhawan is much better at the moment and that’s a harsh truth people like it or not. Keyword “at the moment”. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 23, 2022 Author Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 12:21 PM, ShoonyaSifar said: Let the young players be. Some will adapt to international cricket very quickly, some others take time. Kishan has played total 11 international innings so far, has looked very good in 4 of those. In between he went to SA for the A tour, batted beautifully there. Good that the TM is backing him. Expect him to convert one of those nervous starts very soon. Even Samson hasn't had a proper run, he will come good as well. Most young players have conversion issues but thats not the concern , the concern with ishaan is his limitations. Pant is also inconsistent but isnt a limited batsman infact he has no obvious weakness. 30-40s scored at quick rate in t20s is fine but with his limitation even those will come at a very inconsistent rate which is why he has had just 1 or 1 n half good IPL season till date. Players shud be judged for long term basis, coz good teams will test ur limitations. Tomm he can score against lanka coz they dont have much challenge left in their attack now but in long terms good teams will exploit it . Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Most young players have conversion issues but thats not the concern , the concern with ishaan is his limitations. Pant is also inconsistent but isnt a limited batsman infact he has no obvious weakness. 30-40s scored at quick rate in t20s is fine but with his limitation even those will come at a very inconsistent rate which is why he has had just 1 or 1 n half good IPL season till date. Players shud be judged for long term basis, coz good teams will test ur limitations. Tomm he can score against lanka coz they dont have much challenge left in their attack now but in long terms good teams will exploit it . Srilankan bowling is pretty good. They did very well in Australia. Just that their batting sucked. Link to comment
SK_IH Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 12:21 PM, ShoonyaSifar said: Let the young players be. Some will adapt to international cricket very quickly, some others take time. Kishan has played total 11 international innings so far, has looked very good in 4 of those. In between he went to SA for the A tour, batted beautifully there. Good that the TM is backing him. Expect him to convert one of those nervous starts very soon. Even Samson hasn't had a proper run, he will come good as well. Thank you for a sane post. Just because he is out of touch at the moment fans have started ridiculing him already. Ishan Kishan is a maverick, just kind of player T20 cricket demands. Coming into all the technical stuff @Ankit_sharma03 has pointed out, he is still young & improving. I ll disagree about spinners part, he is quality spin basher whether it's coming in or going away, you ll see that in upcoming matches. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, SK_IH said: Thank you for a sane post. Just because he is out of touch at the moment fans have started ridiculing him already. Ishan Kishan is a maverick, just kind of player T20 cricket demands. Coming into all the technical stuff @Ankit_sharma03 has pointed out, he is still young & improving. I ll disagree about spinners part, he is quality spin basher whether it's coming in or going away, you ll see that in upcoming matches. he has s/r of Against off spin - 67 in international 99 in non international t20 against SLA 70 in international 129 in IPL Clear struggle , he has only bashed leggies in which Someone like Tahir not at his peak has troubled him a lot. Noticed if you bowl fast n flat to him he has issues, but if u flight in air then only he hits ...t20 will be fast n flat mostly like chase did Edited February 24, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Srilankan bowling is pretty good. They did very well in Australia. Just that their batting sucked. If theekshana is gone too whats left chameera n kumara who if they dnt get it right will be taken to cleaners Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he has s/r of Against off spin - 67 in international 99 in non international t20 against SLA 70 in international 129 in IPL Clear struggle , he has only bashed leggies in which Someone like Tahir not at his peak has troubled him a lot. Noticed if you bowl fast n flat to him he has issues, but if u flight in air then only he hits ...t20 will be fast n flat mostly like chase did He's a 22 year old FFS. He'll have some issues in his batting, like most young players at his age especially for a keeper playing as a specialist batsman . if he was so poor, he wouldn't survive the A cricket circuit, forget surviving in the IPL. Also, if despite all these issues he's scoring at 29 and SR of 137 in IPL (better than our T20 superstars), it only shows how strong he's in other areas. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said: He's a 22 year old FFS. He'll have some issues in his batting, like most young players at his age especially for a keeper playing as a specialist batsman . if he was so poor, he wouldn't survive the A cricket circuit, forget surviving in the IPL. Also, if despite all these issues he's scoring at 29 and SR of 137 in IPL (better than our T20 superstars), it only shows how strong he's in other areas. He has issues yes , everyone has issues - ohh yes Is he good -yes Is he a player for future - ofcourse he is But nothing of that is discussed above. Nothing We are clearly discussing how many issues he has and clearly he has many. Player have issue but once have many then its a problem specially if u talk about replacing them with big players n making them as permanent. In ipl he has had just one n half good season so IPL logic shudnt be even given. Point isnt issue but many issues . Thats why he isnt permanent . Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: He has issues yes , everyone has issues - ohh yes Is he good -yes Is he a player for future - ofcourse he is But nothing of that is discussed above. Nothing We are clearly discussing how many issues he has and clearly he has many. Player have issue but once have many then its a problem specially if u talk about replacing them with big players n making them as permanent. In ipl he has had just one n half good season so IPL logic shudnt be even given. Point isnt issue but many issues . Thats why he isnt permanent . Sorry, go back to your OP and look at your own smileys. The intention clearly is to mock a young player by cherry picking stats. I'm countering that. You're free to disagree and continue to mock him. I see that you've covered your tracks by saying SL is a weak side. Link to comment
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