Sachin vs Kohli after 99 Tests

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, zen said:

If we are talking about "stats" can't go by the basic overall #s: 

 

Sachin

 

Sachin played 63 tests versus Eng, NZ, SL, ZIM, BD & WI (lost its steam when Sachin played most of its tests) to avg 69

 

In 36 tests versus Aus, SA, & Pak, he averages 44 

 

In the 90s, when playing against strong attacks/teams, Sachin could go like below:

 

 

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
10	12	11	2	0	90.90	4	caught	2		v Australia	Delhi	10 Oct 1996	Test # 1335
0	6	7	0	0	0.00	4	bowled	4		v Australia	Delhi	10 Oct 1996	Test # 1335
42	80	64	7	0	65.62	4	caught	1		v South Africa	Ahmedabad	20 Nov 1996	Test # 1338
7	43	33	1	0	21.21	4	caught	3		v South Africa	Ahmedabad	20 Nov 1996	Test # 1338
18	91	62	3	0	29.03	4	bowled	2		v South Africa	Kolkata	27 Nov 1996	Test # 1341
2	28	25	0	0	8.00	4	caught	4		v South Africa	Kolkata	27 Nov 1996	Test # 1341
61	211	173	4	1	35.26	4	caught	1		v South Africa	Kanpur	8 Dec 1996	Test # 1344
36	129	98	4	0	36.73	5	caught	3		v South Africa	Kanpur	8 Dec 1996	Test # 1344
15	58	45	2	0	33.33	4	bowled	2		v South Africa	Durban	26 Dec 1996	Test # 1347
4	32	25	1	0	16.00	4	caught	4		v South Africa	Durban	26 Dec 1996	Test # 1347
169	329	254	26	0	66.53	5	caught	2		v South Africa	Cape Town	2 Jan 1997	Test # 1349
9	38	28	1	0	32.14	5	caught	4		v South Africa	Cape Town	2 Jan 1997	Test # 1349
35	72	55	7	0	63.63	4	caught	1		v South Africa	Johannesburg	16 Jan 1997	Test # 1350
9	13	11	2	0	81.81	4	caught	3		v South Africa	Johannesburg	16 Jan 1997	Test # 1350

 

136	405	273	18	0	49.81	4	caught	4		v Pakistan	Chennai	28 Jan 1999	Test # 1442
6	13	11	1	0	54.54	4	lbw	1		v Pakistan	Delhi	4 Feb 1999	Test # 1443
29	99	65	4	0	44.61	4	caught	3		v Pakistan	Delhi	4 Feb 1999	Test # 1443
0	2	1	0	0	0.00	5	bowled	2		v Pakistan	Kolkata	16 Feb 1999	Test # 1444
9	18	13	1	0	69.23	4	run out	4		v Pakistan	Kolkata	16 Feb 1999	Test # 1444

 

 

11	35	24	1	0	45.83	4	run out	2		v South Africa	Durban	13 Nov 1992	Test # 1200
111	373	270	19	0	41.11	4	caught	2		v South Africa	Johannesburg	26 Nov 1992	Test # 1201
1	6	5	0	0	20.00	4	lbw	4		v South Africa	Johannesburg	26 Nov 1992	Test # 1201
6	27	17	1	0	35.29	4	caught	1		v South Africa	Port Elizabeth	26 Dec 1992	Test # 1206
0	1	1	0	0	0.00	4	caught	3		v South Africa	Port Elizabeth	26 Dec 1992	Test # 1206
73	272	208	8	1	35.09	5	caught	2		v South Africa	Cape Town	2 Jan 1993	Test # 1209
DNB	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4		v South Africa	Cape Town	2 Jan 1993	Test # 1209

 

 

Kohli 

 

SENA are stronger teams. Kohli has played 72 of his 99 tests against these teams at an avg of 48. 

 

 

 

I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell.

 

this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests.

[Nikola]

6 minutes ago, Rantzz said:

Let’s not forget Sachin had protection of other all time great batsmen in sehwag, Dravid (who I rate higher in tests), laxman etc so he could take shelter in non striker end when the dangerous bowlers were on (which he did often) and then could feast on lesser bowlers

 

Sachin for first 100 test hardly had anyone of those. Laxman became better post 2001, Sehwag debuted in 2001 & started opening later. Dravid too hit peak around 2000/01. Sachin had already played what 85 odd test matches till then & this comparison is of first 100 tests.

 

6 minutes ago, Rantzz said:

kohli had no such benefit with rotating openers, useless Count Dracula and hahane 

 

Pujara & Rahane have more match winning century knock than kohli. Also don't forget the most important series we won in SENA had Pujara, Pant & Rahane's contribution.

 

6 minutes ago, Rantzz said:

also Sachin had benefit of playing likes of Zimbabwe , NZ when they were poor etc

 

Check NZ tour sachin has faced hadlee in 90 & bond in 2002/03 series which was on total green tops.

[Vijy]

Sunny G had an avg of 52.5 after 100 tests. if we are talking of X vs Kohli, then "X" should not just be SRT but also Gavaskar and Dravid.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, Rantzz said:

Let’s not forget Sachin had protection of other all time great batsmen in sehwag, Dravid (who I rate higher in tests), laxman etc so he could take shelter in non striker end when the dangerous bowlers were on (which he did often) and then could feast on lesser bowlers

 

kohli had no such benefit with rotating openers, useless Count Dracula and hahane 

 

also Sachin had benefit of playing likes of Zimbabwe , NZ when they were poor etc

 

That is untrue. Despite being at the raw end of umpires during Australian tour he was the only one who stood out in Australian tour in 1999. Dravid averaged like 11 or something. Same way during the epic chennai Test. Everyone went missing.   Everyone was clueless bar Sachin.  When Sehwag started as opener, Dravid found his peak  Sachin had already played 11 or 12 years of cricket.  Real test for Kohli is finding second peak. He had 4 good consecutive years. Sachin averaged over 60 five consecutive yeras averaged 50 plus 6 conseuctive years. Even the later part he had average like 55, 48, 67, 78, 47  for 5 years in a row. Sachin never had mega peaks. But was very consistent.  Kohli has so far played well against one set of bowlers in one era. Sachin went through different set of bowlers in different eras and was able to do well.  New challenge for Kohli is to show that he can turn it around by finding another peak.  He looked all set to achieve greater things by the end of 2018. He had made 6600 runs by 2018. Now 2022. He is stuck at 8000 runs.  3 or 4 great years? Many decent batsmen have achieved that in their life. Just look at Kallis consistency and compare with Kohli's consistency. Kohli is not even remotely close to Kallis's consistency.

 

Kallis career 

 

 

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

That is untrue. Despite being at the raw end of umpires during Australian tour he was the only one who stood out in Australian tour in 1999. Dravid averaged like 11 or something. Same way during the epic chennai Test. Everyone went missing.   Everyone was clueless bar Sachin.  When Sehwag started as opener, Dravid found his peak  Sachin had already played 11 or 12 years of cricket.  Real test for Kohli is finding second peak. He had 4 good consecutive years. Sachin averaged over 60 five consecutive yeras averaged 50 plus 6 conseuctive years. Even the later part he had average like 55, 48, 67, 78, 47  for 5 years in a row. Sachin never had mega peaks. But was very consistent.  Kohli has so far played well against one set of bowlers in one era. Sachin went through different set of bowlers in different eras and was able to do well.  New challenge for Kohli is to show that he can turn it around by finding another peak.  He looked all set to achieve greater things by the end of 2018. He had made 6600 runs by 2018. Now 2022. He is stuck at 8000 runs.  3 or 4 great years? Many decent batsmen have achieved that in their life. Just look at Kallis consistency and compare with Kohli's consistency. Kohli is not even remotely close to Kallis's consistency.

 

Kallis career 

 

 

kallis was the greatest player of last 50 yr, i.e., post-sobers. there can be no question of that. regardless of what one thinks of his batting (which I regard as amazingly consistent and good), there's also his bowling and (slip) fielding.

Edited March 4, 2022 by Vijy

[Clarke]

22 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell.

 

this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests.

 

Why bother with WI, are SA & Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s ? What about facing Pak of all teams, Wasim Waqar Shoaib Saqlain was a terrific bowling attack. Only NZ is the better team now than earlier. 

 

You really think Sachin didn't have as much drive as Kohli since he wasn't the BC MC type ? It was simply a case of being a gentleman with a volcano inside & a calm demeanor outside.

[Suhaan]

3 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s

Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good,

Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good,

Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides

 

I think he is saying the same. 

[kohli]

46 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Sunny G had an avg of 52.5 after 100 tests. if we are talking of X vs Kohli, then "X" should not just be SRT but also Gavaskar and Dravid.

Dravid had an avg of 57.79 after 100 test even marginally better than sachin .

[Gambit]

MOST TOP-SCORES IN AN INNINGS

AFTER 99 TESTS

TABLE WITH 4 COLUMNS AND 10 ROWS. CURRENTLY DISPLAYING ROWS 1 TO 10.

BATTER	TOP SCORE	INNS	% INNS
SUNIL GAVASKAR	52	174	29.89
BRIAN LARA	52	174	29.89
SACHIN TENDULKAR	44	159	27.67
YOUNIS KHAN	44	176	25.00
GRAHAM GOOCH	44	179	24.58
GORDON GREENIDGE	42	169	24.85
STEPHEN FLEMING	42	168	25.00
GEOFF BOYCOTT	42	175	24.00
VIRAT KOHLI	41	168	24.40

 

Telling stat about support.

[Stan AF]

21 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Aus are quite good when you compare it with the 90s side, Australia started to look formidable from 98-99,before that they were good,

Present Australia if not better ,is as good as those sides

Steve waugh literally molded that side into a unbeatable unit. He stood by example with his batting and bailing them out at tough situations.

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Steve waugh literally molded that side into a unbeatable unit. He stood by example with his batting and bailing them out at tough situations.

 

Real process was started by the task master Alan Border. Others like Taylor, Waugh, Ponting, Clarke made sure they got better or they didn't go below par. When Border took over in the 80s they were hopeless.  Since then they were slightly above average. 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

I would not consider WI a weak bowling attack till 1999-2000 and Tendu did well enough in the 8 tests he played before then. apart from the usual suspects of Amby, Walsh, and Bishop, I always felt that WI had two good spinners that they failed to nurture properly... a cricket watcher in that era would also remember ramnarine and neil mcgarrell.

 

this doesn't change the overall stats much, but it was worth pointing out because WI was still a very fine team in the 90s, which is when SRT played bulk of his first 100 tests.

Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. 
 

Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. 
 

Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998

 

[kohli]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. 
 

Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. 
 

Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998

 

Did you watch BG trophy 2010?

[Vijy]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

Having watched Tendulkar in Tests, I was not confident in him dominating a series against strong attacks/teams. Like a Rahane, he would get you a 100 here and there and probably consider his job done for the series. 
 

Guys like Sehwag really stepped it up with big 100s. Dravid got multiple 100s in a series when in form. Laxman played some superb knocks under pressure. 
 

Only series (And Sachin has played the most # of series for any batsman) where I can say where he met his “hype” was the Aus tour of Ind in 1998

 

It is insulting to compare rahane and SRT... but whatever floats your boat. Please don't expect me to defend SRT against someone like rahane - it does not even merit writing a response given how ludicrous it is.

[Vijy]

50 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

Why bother with WI, are SA & Aus anywhere as good as they were in 90s ? What about facing Pak of all teams, Wasim Waqar Shoaib Saqlain was a terrific bowling attack. Only NZ is the better team now than earlier. 

 

You really think Sachin didn't have as much drive as Kohli since he wasn't the BC MC type ? It was simply a case of being a gentleman with a volcano inside & a calm demeanor outside.

why don't you write that to Zen; it's not me that is downgrading SRT here

[Pollack]

25 minutes ago, Gambit said:

MOST TOP-SCORES IN AN INNINGS

AFTER 99 TESTS

TABLE WITH 4 COLUMNS AND 10 ROWS. CURRENTLY DISPLAYING ROWS 1 TO 10.

BATTER	TOP SCORE	INNS	% INNS
SUNIL GAVASKAR	52	174	29.89
BRIAN LARA	52	174	29.89
SACHIN TENDULKAR	44	159	27.67
YOUNIS KHAN	44	176	25.00
GRAHAM GOOCH	44	179	24.58
GORDON GREENIDGE	42	169	24.85
STEPHEN FLEMING	42	168	25.00
GEOFF BOYCOTT	42	175	24.00
VIRAT KOHLI	41	168	24.40

 

Telling stat about support.

What does this stat tell?  

[zen]

Just now, Vijy said:

It is insulting to compare rahane and SRT... but whatever floats your boat. Please don't expect me to defend SRT against someone like rahane - it does not even merit writing a response given how ludicrous it is.

Well, if you specialize in hitting 1-2 knocks per series and consider it job done, what can one do … Sachin is more like a Rahane of ATGs  

[Rantzz]

I agree with @zen on most things excluding Pandya and Count Dracula.

 

he is pretty spot on here

[vvvslaxman]

Is there a stat on how many catches Kohli dropped in 99 stats in comparison with Sachin :) We are not even talking about bowling.