Sachin vs Kohli after 99 Tests

[zen]

2 hours ago, Rantzz said:

I agree with @zen on most things excluding Pandya and Count Dracula.

 

he is pretty spot on here

 

Why leave out those two? One is the most talented cricketer to have debuted in the 21st century (peak years yet to come), while the other is the most impactful test batsman since 1990 (Look at his performances in Asia + instrumental in 2 series wins in Aus including its first ever. Ind first tour to Aus was in 1947/8)

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 hours ago, Cricspin said:

 

 

That Virat had sucker of a middle order and constantly changing openers over the decade. He was the best of Indian batting over last decade. It is easier to top score when your competition is weak. That list has Fleming who was not that great of a batsman but his team batting order was weak and he stood out. Lara was also the flag bearer of a weak WI batting order though he was a great batsman without doubt.

 

 

 

Openers: Sidhu, Prabhakar, Jadeja, Shastri, Mongia, VVS, Rathore vs Vijay, Dhawan, Rohit, Rahul, Mayank, Gill

 

Middle order: Fixer, Kambli, Dravid, Ganguly, Mongia, Kumble, Bhajji vs Pujara, Rahane, Dhoni, Jadeja, Ashwin, Pant

 

Which set is worse?

 

[SRT100]

15 hours ago, sage said:

The bulk of Sachins stats here are from the 90s where only a handful of players averaged above 50 and Tendulkar was well ahead of the pack

 

There is one important point that no one has raised, its that SRT began playing at the age of 16.

 

Kohli got to prepare in Ranji and by the time he played Test Cricket, he was in a far superior position to SRT.

 

Which is why to SRT's credit he is superior at the 100 Test mark.

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

There is one important point that no one has raised, its that SRT began playing at the age of 16.

 

Kohli got to prepare in Ranji and by the time he played Test Cricket, he was in a far superior position to SRT.

 

Which is why to SRT's credit he is superior at the 100 Test mark.

 

 

Most important facet is he went through generations of bowlers. He started his career before Shane warne. Ended his career after that Warne. He kinda set the standard. Sunil Gavaskar was great. But not known for aggressive brand of cricket. 

 

Those off side shots are delightful

 

 

 

[Jay]

10 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

There is one important point that no one has raised, its that SRT began playing at the age of 16.

 

Kohli got to prepare in Ranji and by the time he played Test Cricket, he was in a far superior position to SRT.

 

Which is why to SRT's credit he is superior at the 100 Test mark.

There is doubt? Srt was the greatest prodigy of all time. 

[Jay]

In saying that kohli did play on some deadly pitches. 

 

 

[SRT100]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

There is doubt? Srt was the greatest prodigy of all time. 

I have never said there was doubt.

 

The OP made a comparison.

[SRT100]

54 minutes ago, Cricspin said:

Watching this series live was some experience back in the day. Back to Back epic innings and the commentary of Tony 

 

 

 

Grieg always took up a very Pro-India support both overseas and in Australia.

 

He actually took India's side in the infamous Monkeygate fiasco.

 

Desert Storm was one of the greatest innings I have ever seen.

[SRT100]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Most important facet is he went through generations of bowlers. He started his career before Shane warne. Ended his career after that Warne. He kinda set the standard. Sunil Gavaskar was great. But not known for aggressive brand of cricket. 

 

Those off side shots are delightful

 

 

 

 

The quality of bowlers that SRT faced was phenomenal.

 

Its an exhausting list to even think of, but he has faced the majority of all time greats of Test Cricket and definitely most of the Top 10 bowlers of all countries ever produced.

 

Kohli has faced (not his fault) but far inferior bowlers maybe just a handful would make the Top 10 ever.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

The quality of bowlers that SRT faced was phenomenal.

 

Its an exhausting list to even think of, but he has faced the majority of all time greats of Test Cricket and definitely most of the Top 10 bowlers of all countries ever produced.

 

Kohli has faced (not his fault) but far inferior bowlers maybe just a handful would make the Top 10 ever.

 

Kohli's biggest problem was backfoot game. When he was in touch he was able to get away with very good reflex. Some times he would stand outside the crease and take it on the full.  That lack of backfoot game became a bigger and bigger issue as he got older.  In the above video you could see how many times Sachin would go on the backfoot and crunch through the off side. This predominant front-foot game made him even more vulnerable I am not sure he has age on his side to make adjustment and come back. But if he doesn't work on it his average will go below 50 for sure.

[Jay]

37 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

I have never said there was doubt.

 

The OP made a comparison.

Yea fair enough. Srt had tough pitches in 90s. In 2000 era it was roads. But Sachin has no real weakness. Kohli has too many holes. 

[Jay]

37 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

The quality of bowlers that SRT faced was phenomenal.

 

Its an exhausting list to even think of, but he has faced the majority of all time greats of Test Cricket and definitely most of the Top 10 bowlers of all countries ever produced.

 

Kohli has faced (not his fault) but far inferior bowlers maybe just a handful would make the Top 10 ever.

I disagree with this notion. I do agree srt defecates on kohli and is probably the best ever or atleast up there. 

 

But quality of bowlers are definitely a lot better rnow. Many teams have Top quality attack. 

[Majestic]

Spin bowling quality is at lowest in this era. There is simply no world class spinner in the world except Lyon. This is what makes batting in India far more easier for Indian batsman of this era compared to previous ones who played against spinners of quality of Warne, Murali, Saqlain, Swann, Panesar, Macgill and Vettori and also Mendis ( for a small period).

 

Fast bowling quality in 90s was also better than the current era although current era had better fast bowling quality than in 2000s where Ponting, Kallis and Dravid cashed on the most.

Edited March 5, 2022 by Majestic

[vvvslaxman]

14 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Spin bowling quality is at lowest in this era. There is simply no world class spinner in the world except Lyon. This is what makes batting in India far more easier for Indian batsman of this era compared to previous ones who played against spinners of quality of Warne, Murali, Saqlain, Swann, Panesar, Macgill and Vettori and also Mendis ( for a small period).

 

Fast bowling quality in 90s was also better than the current era although current era had better fast bowling quality than in 2000s where Ponting, Kallis and Dravid cashed on the most.

 

Batting quality in the last 5 years or so have been poor. For years Ishant was not doing  much with ball. Suddenly he was averaging 21 for a few years. Sure bowlers improve. But not this much improvement that too after 10 years. Funny thing is Ishant was more penetrative when he started his career than now. He was quicker, lot of zip in his bowling. But found hard to take bucket load of wickets. 

[Lord]

11 hours ago, Majestic said:

Spin bowling quality is at lowest in this era. There is simply no world class spinner in the world except Lyon. This is what makes batting in India far more easier for Indian batsman of this era compared to previous ones who played against spinners of quality of Warne, Murali, Saqlain, Swann, Panesar, Macgill and Vettori and also Mendis ( for a small period).

 

Fast bowling quality in 90s was also better than the current era although current era had better fast bowling quality than in 2000s where Ponting, Kallis and Dravid cashed on the most.

We saw that in Pak test

[Majestic]

32 minutes ago, Lord said:

We saw that in Pak test

That makes it even worse for Indian batsman.

[cricketfan28]

Don't think this comparison will be fair after some time, looks like the king is done.

[vvvslaxman]

23 minutes ago, cricketfan28 said:

Don't think this comparison will be fair after some time, looks like the king is done.

 

He is definitely a modern day great given the amount of centuries he churned out for a period of time. But if he wants to get near ATG he must find another peak. Even in the format where he is already an ATG ,he is unable to regain his touch.  In T20 he has done better than in other 2 formats in recent times.  

[Vijy]

6 hours ago, Lord said:

We saw that in Pak test

lyon is a poorer spinner in SC than O'Keefe, who can at least be devastating on helpful pitches.

[sage]