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Ravindra Jadeja vs Kapil Dev in Tests


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If we apply context, match ups, conditions, umpiring, mindset,  whole bunch of factors we will realize how hard it is to compare batsmen across era. Cricket is a professional sports now. It was not back then. Many players in the 1980s were working in banks and depending on monthly income.  Money was pittance.  Back in 1932 there was one Indian batsman Janardhan Navle  who was working as security guard in a sugar mill. Practice facilities were poor. We should respect how they passionately pursued this sport despite minimal income. Nowadays Gowtham without absolutely doing anything pocketed 9 crores.

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On 3/8/2022 at 7:35 PM, vvvslaxman said:

@putrevusPoint here is Jadeja for the best part of his career could not eclipse a tailender all rounder from his own side. So we cannot compare with him an opening bowling all rounder who has done well with bat and ball in different parts of the world. Also an outstanding fielder and captain with no real support. 

how is Ashwin tailender lol. He used to open 

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12 hours ago, Lord said:

how is Ashwin tailender lol. He used to open 

 

Tendulkar also practiced fast bowling at Junior level . Even for his state he was batting way down the order in regular Ranji games. He was a tail batsman. L Siva was also a tailender. But he was a good batsman. Even made 100 batting at 10 or something. Same way Vidyuth sivaramakrishnan made 100 batting at 11.  He definitely surprised me when he made his first 100. I never knew he could bat.

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11 hours ago, Cricspin said:

Jadeja will never be viewed as better or more valuable than Kapil Dev, no matter what numbers he puts up. This will be mainly because

 

* He is a spin bowling all-rounder v/s fast bowling all rounder

* Not a leader compared to Kapil Dev

* Does not have the Aura (Sorry had to say this :--D).. Personality, Presence, opposition respect, peer respect , fans respect .. everything matters

* Too late to the recognition game. You have to establish authority early on. 

* Did not pile on significant noticeable performances and his stats are more based on constant accumulation. Part of the reason for late recognition. A century in the first few years of playing test cricket would have done him more good.  I agree that for the first many years, he did not get the kind of chances he is getting these days but that is beside the point.

 

Having said that, he will go down easily as the top 3 all-rounders India has produced and that is achievement enough for someone whose place in the side was constantly questioned and was written off as a bits and pieces player.  He will easily get to 3000 runs and 3000 wickets with better bowling average and batting average than recognized bowlers and batters. As far as fielding is concerned, there can be a good argument of him being the best ever to field for India.

 

 

 

 

Azharuddin ( in non fixing matches),  Kapil dev one of the greatest direct specialist along with Alan Border.  Kapil dev can literally field anywhere. He was as good as any slip specialist in the slips.  Kaif was a good fielder. But mostly outfield. Not all round fielder like Azharuddin/Kapil.

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11 hours ago, Cricspin said:

Jadeja will never be viewed as better or more valuable than Kapil Dev, no matter what numbers he puts up. This will be mainly because

 

* He is a spin bowling all-rounder v/s fast bowling all rounder

* Not a leader compared to Kapil Dev

* Does not have the Aura (Sorry had to say this :--D).. Personality, Presence, opposition respect, peer respect , fans respect .. everything matters

* Too late to the recognition game. You have to establish authority early on. 

* Did not pile on significant noticeable performances and his stats are more based on constant accumulation. Part of the reason for late recognition. A century in the first few years of playing test cricket would have done him more good.  I agree that for the first many years, he did not get the kind of chances he is getting these days but that is beside the point.

 

Having said that, he will go down easily as the top 3 all-rounders India has produced and that is achievement enough for someone whose place in the side was constantly questioned and was written off as a bits and pieces player.  He will easily get to 3000 runs and 3000 wickets with better bowling average and batting average than recognized bowlers and batters. As far as fielding is concerned, there can be a good argument of him being the best ever to field for India.

 

 

 

 

You can add "Not unselfish like Kapil dev" lol  Running out partners and refusing to sacrifice his wicket.

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2 hours ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

its because jadeja is utter crap in limited overs, and lucky to be aided by spin pitches of home track bullying throughout his test career, he is nothing worthy of remembering in history. This is why indians here are saying he doesnt have an 'aura'. Well this is the reason. 

You are now begining to bore me with your idiotic posts.

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11 hours ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

its because jadeja is utter crap in limited overs, and lucky to be aided by spin pitches of home track bullying throughout his test career, he is nothing worthy of remembering in history. This is why indians here are saying he doesnt have an 'aura'. Well this is the reason. 

 

Jadeja would walk into your all time XI. He's easily better than most of your spinners even in away matches and could bat & field miles better than any of them. 

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19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Azharuddin ( in non fixing matches),  Kapil dev one of the greatest direct specialist along with Alan Border.  Kapil dev can literally field anywhere. He was as good as any slip specialist in the slips.  Kaif was a good fielder. But mostly outfield. Not all round fielder like Azharuddin/Kapil.

 

On 3/9/2022 at 9:32 PM, Cricspin said:

Jadeja will never be viewed as better or more valuable than Kapil Dev, no matter what numbers he puts up. This will be mainly because

 

* He is a spin bowling all-rounder v/s fast bowling all rounder

* Not a leader compared to Kapil Dev

* Does not have the Aura (Sorry had to say this :--D).. Personality, Presence, opposition respect, peer respect , fans respect .. everything matters

* Too late to the recognition game. You have to establish authority early on. 

* Did not pile on significant noticeable performances and his stats are more based on constant accumulation. Part of the reason for late recognition. A century in the first few years of playing test cricket would have done him more good.  I agree that for the first many years, he did not get the kind of chances he is getting these days but that is beside the point.

 

Having said that, he will go down easily as the top 3 all-rounders India has produced and that is achievement enough for someone whose place in the side was constantly questioned and was written off as a bits and pieces player.  He will easily get to 3000 runs and 3000 wickets with better bowling average and batting average than recognized bowlers and batters. As far as fielding is concerned, there can be a good argument of him being the best ever to field for India.

 

 

 

 

Jadeja's career is still unfolding. His batting has been improving each year. He could maintain his prime for atleast a few years more. 

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Just now, Cricspin said:

 

Agreed. 

 

He is super fit and athletic and not declining at 33 like others who are 33-34.

 

I remember 33 used to a peak period for batsmen and they declined around 37.

 

Jadeja will finish with ATG stats but may not get the recognition.

 

If he ends up with ATG stats, he will surely get the recognition. 

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18 minutes ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

jadeja cant even make India weak ass all time xi itself, LMAO

 

Seriously the fact so many indian dont put him in their all time xi (despite being the weakest atg team of all top 8 nations) speaks so much volume of him as a player

Pakistan has been number 1 how many times in tests and for how long. I think India has done quite well. 3rd All time. Longest. Indian ATG should be up there in top 5. Pakistan would be around 6th or 7th. 

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11 hours ago, Cricspin said:

My All time Indian team will probably look like this -

 

Gavaskar

VIRU

Dravid

Sachin

Virat/VVS Laxman

Pant/ Dhoni 

Kapil Dev

Jadeja/ Mankad

Ashwin/ Kumble

Srinath/Shami

Bumrah

 

There's no comparison between Kohli and Laxman. 

One is a master ATG batsman the other a rescue act. 

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