Ravindra Jadeja vs Kapil Dev in Tests

[Pakistan]

This thread is insult to Kapil Paa Jee.

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

 

look at the pathetic lineup of india's atg team in comparision to pakistan and other top countries. Why do you always talk with filters LOL 'for the past blah years' on 'according to this ranking'. Just srsly look at the player quality in both lineups smh

I did post me your lineup. India seem better on paper. When Pakistani had their so called great bowlers, they played together in their primes like wasim and Waqar etc. This is atg team wer are talking about. You don't know how well bumrah srianth and shami would do together. India always had good individual bowlers. Dint have depth as in first change bowlers to support the main bowler. Imagine wasim bhai playing venky prasad and some other local trundler. You think he would still average 23 haha. 

[Gambit]

But are either of them better than Pandya?

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

 

imran khan, hadlee, lillee and sooo many others didnt have support yet look at their brilliant stats. FYI Wasim and Waqar played in English counties and have averages of 19 and 18 there and they were lone bowlers in those lineups too with no support.

 

Stop making excuses and start realizing no matter how much you want to try defend indias bowling options, they lack any form of firepower and have the worst bowlers to come through from any top 8 nation. a 30 averaging Kapil is your greatest bowler, you may as well drop the affection for indias shortcoming.

 

Shami himself averages fkn 27, srinath a 30.5 averging mediocrity getting fame due to no other better option at india that time. Same goes for zak who is talked about like he was some god by india but reality its all indian 1b population hype of the mediocrity. 

 

All those flash in the pan pakistani bowlers (junaid, irfan, aqib, wahab, zahid) who we consider **** or ok have this quality in their stats. This is how lame india's bowling history is and you defending it with excuses is more of a facepalm. 

Imran khan had support what are you talking about?

 

[Jay]

46 minutes ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

 

imran khan, hadlee, lillee and sooo many others didnt have support yet look at their brilliant stats. FYI Wasim and Waqar played in English counties and have averages of 19 and 18 there and they were lone bowlers in those lineups too with no support.

 

Stop making excuses and start realizing no matter how much you want to try defend indias bowling options, they lack any form of firepower and have the worst bowlers to come through from any top 8 nation. a 30 averaging Kapil is your greatest bowler, you may as well drop the affection for indias shortcoming.

 

Shami himself averages fkn 27, srinath a 30.5 averging mediocrity getting fame due to no other better option at india that time. Same goes for zak who is talked about like he was some god by india but reality its all indian 1b population hype of the mediocrity. 

 

All those flash in the pan pakistani bowlers (junaid, irfan, aqib, wahab, zahid) who we consider **** or ok have this quality in their stats. This is how lame india's bowling history is and you defending it with excuses is more of a facepalm. 

But you guys cheated alot in the past. It's been documented. Bottle caps, fixing, shitty umpiring. How can we take your bowlers seriously bruv? 

None of the bowlers have performed as a pack and never hit number 1 in their life as a bowling attack. Just not good enough bruv. 

India with srianth who was supported by dud cannon fodders still did ok. You think your wasim bhai can perform and average under 25 with venky and some phattu bowlers? Yea I don't think so. At best maybe 28. 

Bumrah shami srianth combo is better than any pak attack. It's deadly. You are not looking at the whole picture. Like I said India always had one good strike bowler but lack supporting bowlers to help the main bowler attain sub 25 figures. Bowling works in pairs. You also need one good support bowler to make it a complete attack. 

 

Your best attack would be 

Imran 

Wasim

Shoaib

Wackqar 

 

Shoaib is widely overrated and inlove shoaib. We have seen wasim wacqar and shoaib play together. Their averages as a bowling attack was 31  vs top sides. Never once have they managed to hit number 1 as a bowling attack. 

 

Kapil

Srinath

Bumrah

Shami 

 

Everybody as good if not better than poyz. Don't be nostalgic. Don't be an inbred. Don't be a dumb* like kohli fanboy. At worst both would be equally good attacks. India also have better batting. 

 

Besides Dennis lille is a bitch that dint even want tot our India. He averaged 36 vs weak lanka in those time.s averaged 101 vs pakistan. Hahhaa. This fodder stat padded because he plays on some nice bouncy wicked tracks of Australia. 

 

Do not compare Indian pitches to those bouncy pitches or seaming tracks that aid bowlers. 

 

Much easier to stat pad there. Also pitches in rawalpindi and Pakistan is much more conducive to fast bowling in those days. Not to mention you guys have a phd in tampering and altering balls etc. 

 

Hadlee yes was a true great. 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Jay

[Majestic]

Lol at Srinath being a great. He averaged 37 in SENA, Indians over here hype him as if he averaged 23 in his career. In reality, he is just a Hasan Ali level pacer. 

 

If we consider SENA as parameter here because in India, everyone anyways does well, the stats are :

 

Bumrah 24

Shami 31

Zaheer 31

Prasad 31

Srinath 35

Ishant 36

Umesh 40

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;orderby=wickets;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

Edited March 12, 2022 by Majestic

[Jay]

13 minutes ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

The hypocricy of Jay for calling wackar and calling him mediocre and then using statements like Wasim had waqar brooooo HAHAHAHAHAH

 

bottlecaps LMMAO, you really think they pulled out caps and stuff for every game. Maybe it might have hapenned once, but if you think the umpires are dulsional and the opponent side couldnt see anything then please help yourself.

 

Bottlecaps for 15 year careers LOL mate its an indian narrative to oppose why pakistan has amazing bowlers and why india is utter crap at it. And you who have bought into it by reading articles published by indian media. sigh. 

 

Anyways im done talking about mediocre 30 averaging indian bowlers and why your bowlers stats suck. Maybe if you opened your eyes you'll see how useless india is in producing bowlers and why because of this India''s atg team ranks the worst among top 8 nations, because every other nation has elite bowling and batting lineups with stats to back them

Bhaiyya. Wacqar averages 35 vs sewai

Wasim is 29. They are nothing special bhaiyaa. 

Indian bowlers are easily comparable. Get off your high horses. You have probably the 7th best team in reality. Never once has your pakistan team managed to become number 1 in tests for longer than a week. 

 

All this hulla bulla about india being 8thb best team rofl is a joke. India at worst would be 5th bhaiyaa. 

[Adamant]

Imran

Wasim

Waqar

Shoaib

Fazal

 

 

Light years

 

 

Kapil

Shami

Vaas

Etc etc

[Jay]

11 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Imran

Wasim

Waqar

Shoaib

Fazal

 

 

Light years

 

 

Kapil

Shami

Vaas

Etc etc

Yes to Pakistanis. Reality is different bhaiyya. 

[Jay]

Hanif 

Anwar

Miandad

Inzamam

Younis (abbas was weak vs pace)

Rizwan (Latif is average)

Imran

Wasim

Shoaib

Fazal (do not rate wacqar he is trash vs good teams)

Qadir

 

For sena? This is supposed to be top tier? India atg looks better bhaiiyas. 

 

Batting India literally wins 6 0 here. 

Imran > kapil although it's questionable if imran can carry a weak team like India of 80s like kapil did. I don't think he would fare all that well without sarfraz. 

 

Wasim> siranth

Shami > shoaib bhai

Ashwin/chandraekar **** on qadir

Bumrah better than fazal and Waqar. 

 

I dont see it bhaiyya. What you think? 

 

Even in bowling India is 3-2. Wtf? Pakistam not even better in bowling omg. Who would have thought hey? 

[Majestic]

Too much of stats nitpicking. Waqar averages under 30 in all countries except two- India and Australia. It is same as Kohli averaging above 40 in all countries except two- England and New Zealand. Dravid averaging above 40 in all countries except Aus and SA. Waqar is comfortably an all time great of the game with almost 700-800 international wickets at average of 23-24.

 

Top 10 Asian pacers:-

 

ATGs - Imran, Wasim, Waqar

 

Greats(A level below tier):

 

Kapil, Shoaib

 

Then after that (very good):

 

Shami, Vaas

 

Above average to good tier :-

 

Zaheer, Srinath, Ishant, Amir, Malinga

 

Bumrah can be in either of the top two. However, he needs to take 350 test wickets at 23-24 to get to the level of Imran and Wasim. 

 

Edited March 12, 2022 by Majestic

[Jay]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Too much of stats nitpicking. Waqar averages under 30 in all countries except two- India and Australia. It is same as Kohli averaging above 40 in all countries except two- England and New Zealand. Dravid averaging above 40 in all countries except Aus and SA. Waqar is comfortably an all time great of the game with almost 700-800 international wickets at average of 23-24.

 

Top 10 Asian pacers:-

 

ATGs - Imran, Wasim, Waqar

 

Greats(A level below tier):

 

Kapil, Shoaib

 

Then after that (very good):

 

Shami, Vaas

 

Above average to good tier :-

 

Zaheer, Srinath, Ishant, Amir, Malinga

 

Bumrah can be in either of the top two. However, he needs to take 350 test wickets at 23-24 to get to the level of Imran and Wasim. 

 

I dont care about history. Talking about ability. Goat is not same as boat. I would rather have a player who can give me wins in sena especially Australia and s Africa as they are much tougher places to tour than England and kiwi land. Bumrah and shami do that. Pakistani bowlers don't. 

[Majestic]

35 minutes ago, Jay said:

I dont care about history. Talking about ability. Goat is not same as boat. I would rather have a player who can give me wins in sena especially Australia and s Africa as they are much tougher places to tour than England and kiwi land. Bumrah and shami do that. Pakistani bowlers don't. 

That sounds like typical English fans who generally say that only Ashes is what that matters to them. Other teams don't really matter.

Edited March 12, 2022 by Majestic

[Jay]

9 minutes ago, Majestic said:

That sounds like typical English fans who generally say that only Ashes is what that matters to them. Other teams don't really matter.

Like I said. Boat is not the same as goat. Best vs greatest. Big difference. Rather be the better player than be the greater player. Better player at the peaks. Anyway even in rhe bowling India draws at worst. 2 -2. 

 

Not to mention India always have better team chemistry as it reflects in the amount of weeks India has dominated as the number 1 test team. What would a nation who has only been number 1 for 2 days know about that hey. 

[Jay]

46 minutes ago, Virat_Kulli_ki_main_khuli said:

 

When the only thing you can brag are nitpicked stats of a bowler in a certain country rather then overall, then ofc i too wouldve used such excuses if i were indian too 

 

 

HAHAHAHHAHAH. mate over here your indian buddies will hype you for these takes, but in a international forum you will be laughed upon. All three Akhtar, Waqar, Fazal have better stats then either of those two comparision lololol 

Stats isn't everything though haiyya. Shami is a more complete bowler than shoaib. Srianth is better than waqcqar who lived off wasim bhai. You overrate your bowlers and underrate batsmen. Philander would be goat then if stats was everything. He has better stats than wasim bhai and wacqar. 

 

Jaddu has better stats than many good bowlers. So now jaddu greater than them? 

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, Majestic said:

Too much of stats nitpicking. Waqar averages under 30 in all countries except two- India and Australia. It is same as Kohli averaging above 40 in all countries except two- England and New Zealand. Dravid averaging above 40 in all countries except Aus and SA. Waqar is comfortably an all time great of the game with almost 700-800 international wickets at average of 23-24.

 

Top 10 Asian pacers:-

 

ATGs - Imran, Wasim, Waqar

 

Greats(A level below tier):

 

Kapil, Shoaib

 

Then after that (very good):

 

Shami, Vaas

 

Above average to good tier :-

 

Zaheer, Srinath, Ishant, Amir, Malinga

 

Bumrah can be in either of the top two. However, he needs to take 350 test wickets at 23-24 to get to the level of Imran and Wasim. 

 

Waqar never did well against good batting teams.He made merry against weak batting line ups. Imran was helped by home cooked umpiring a lot. Both of them would not have average in low 20s without home cooked umpring and ball tampering.There is no fast bowler these days with all these cameras picking up as many wickets in Asia like Pakistani did in 1980s. Akram is the only legitimate great bowler from Paksitan. 

 

Kapil averaged better than Imran both in Australia and WI.That should say something about his greatness. It is ridculous for any fast bowler  to average better at home on flat pattas than away that is what all Pakistani bowlers did in 1980s , Imran and waqar were comfortably handled in India unlike Akram who did his thing even in India.

 

Bumrah does not need to take 350 plus wickets to be better than all of them.They play too many formats to play that long.

Edited March 12, 2022 by putrevus

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, Cricspin said:

I love how this thread turned into a Pakistani pacers discussion thread.

 

 

nearly everything will end up becoming that. you can discuss sobers vs kallis, bradman vs smith, lara vs SRT, shahrukh vs salman vs aamir, Russia vs Ukraine, it will all become battle of padosi pacers

[Majestic]

Ravindra Jadeja:-

 

3005 runs, Avg 37

287 wickets, Avg 24

[Vijy]

9 hours ago, Majestic said:

Ravindra Jadeja:-

 

3005 runs, Avg 37

287 wickets, Avg 24

even when this thread started, people knew jaddu had better stats than kapil

[putrevus]

Lot of guys have misconception about Imran Khan as allrounder.

 

His first 31 tests he was avg 25 with bat with one hundred and in bowling he was averaging over 30 taking 119 wickets.

 

His last 28 tests before he pulled many of his stunts of retiring and unretiring he took just 84 wickets at avg over 27 with lot less  bowling load. Bowling load was carried by Wasim and Co.This is where he scored 4 hundred as batsman.

 

It is in those middle 29 tests from 1980 -87 he mysteriously ( now we know it was with outside help ) took 165 wickets at earth shattering avg of 15.1.

 

Majority of the wickets coming in Pakistan where Javed and co were scoring runs for funs without ever fearing getting out to LBW. With bat he scored one hundred during this time.

 

Imran had luxury of picking and chosing his matches, he just played 88 test in 20 year career.

 

Kapil and Botham became best players on their team within year of their debuts carrying load with both and bat and ball.With Dev bowling tirelessly without any support from other end.Botham has Bob willis at one end along with other bowlers.

 

Who did Kapil have support bowlers.India in 1980s did not even have one good spinner to take his load off in home test till Kumble arrived in 1990s.