Quality of teams have been seriously compromised this IPL with addition of 2 new teams

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, zen said:

There are multiple ways to do that including channeling revenues from IPL properly, enhancing other domestic competitions, etc.

 

If players are picked by teams without considering their nationalities, it can also motivate players to improve (For e.g. a Bhuvi is picked because he is really good not because a team needs to fill certain Indian quota and Bhuvi happens to be a decent option among Indian players)

 

In short, there is no one way to do things (there are countries that have no IPL but stronger teams in various formats) 

there are always "multiple ways to do multiple things".   And arguments for arguments sake.

 

Advocating a change in the 4 starting overseas players rule in the name of "quality" is a deeply flawed argument.  Let's leave it at that.

[zen]

Just now, sandeep said:

there are always "multiple ways to do multiple things".   And arguments for arguments sake.

 

Advocating a change in the 4 starting overseas players rule in the name of "quality" is a deeply flawed argument.  Let's leave it at that.

Deeply flawed when a RVD or a Hetmeyer or a NCN or a Neesham compete for a spot with some quota player  

 

Ideally, it should  be a team prerogative to play 11 OS or 11 players, along with any combination b/w that range. 

[Vilander]

20 hours ago, Stan AF said:

failed to qualify in 4 out of 6 World T20 tournaments since IPL's inception

What? 

 

[Adamant]

Ipl was never about quality. 

We saw what happened to IPL sooperstars against Pakistan in the t20 world cup. 

 

Ipl should never be a judge of talent, it's main purpose is to produce flat pattas with small boundaries to make the Indians drool about how good their upcoming batting talent is, before they actually play international cricket. 

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, zen said:

It depends upon a team, which would want an option to play 5 international players. 
 

5 international players is 50 players in playing 11s across 10 teams, which is just 10 more (and when you know that many talented international players are sitting out - for e.g. in LSG, a Chemeera could miss out for a Rajput,; in PK, a Rajapaksa could have to sit out for a domestic or a has been Indian player; in RR, an RVD or a Hetmeyer or a Neesham or a NCN may need to sit out, and so on) 

 

The international players come from many countries including AFG and Zim, therefore 4-5 top players from each country offers a better quality pool than 70 (7 in the playing 12 across 10 teams) players just from India (and when its national team itself isn’t a world beater and it can struggle to make 6 competitive teams out of the 70 players)

 

PS if the goal is to create the best T20 league in the world, there should not be even any restrictions. Talent from everywhere would need to improve itself to be picked up by an IPL team 

Lol 

 

Mumbai will have icc world 11 and will win every game and tournament, why have IPL then. 

[zen]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

Mumbai will have icc world 11 and will win every game and tournament, why have IPL then. 

 

Every team has equal budget to make a team (Was 90 cr this time) & participates in the auction ... No team can do what you described  

 

[urbestfriend]

No, its not.

 

There are two reasons why one sees low quality players

1) Unavailability of some of the top international players. Once they come in, quality increases drastically

2) Some of the franchises have messed up in auction leading to low quality. But this cant be blamed for addition of two teams. 

 

[sensible-indian]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

14 years of IPL and counting, but still the ghar ki murghi daal baraabar syndrome not abating.  

 

How many useless Australians have been made wealthy purely due to hype - D'arcy Short anyone?  So many others like him.  This Daniel Sams guy is a Harshal Patel wannabe without the local knowledge and experience; he's going to get slaughtered in Asian conditions.  

 

 

The point is having the 5th overseas slot gives you the option to exercise it....if you have a quality overseas player.

 

If you have good enough Indian talent, no need for it.

 

Moreover, 5 overseas slots influences auction strategy too.

 

Teams will go for specialists or additional ARs and players who wouldnt make the cut would make it. Assuming more are allowed I  the squad.

 

Its supply and demand.

 

Competition for overseas slot is brutal compared to Indian slots.

[Stan AF]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

What? 

 

My bad. I should have written it clearly. I meant to say we didn't qualify for the knockout stages in 4 wcs(2009,10,12 and now 21) after ipl started.

[Vickydev]

4 hours ago, zen said:

There are multiple ways to do that including channeling revenues from IPL properly, enhancing other domestic competitions, etc.

 

If players are picked by teams without considering their nationalities, it can also motivate players to improve (For e.g. a Bhuvi is picked because he is really good not because a team needs to fill certain Indian quota and Bhuvi happens to be a decent option among Indian players)

 

In short, there is no one way to do things (there are countries that have no IPL but stronger teams in various formats) 

Its a domestic tournament, ofcourse the nationality matters

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, zen said:

 

Every team has equal budget to make a team (Was 90 cr this time) & participates in the auction ... No team can do what you described  

 

So you're fine with introducing salary cap constraints, but not local player constraints.  Doesn't fit your own logic of 'unrestricted' quality.  

[zen]

6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

So you're fine with introducing salary cap constraints, but not local player constraints.  Doesn't fit your own logic of 'unrestricted' quality.  

Every team needs to have similar budget to have a competitive IPL. Players combination is in the realm of utilizing that budget and making good use of auctions 

 

I don’t think understand the “logic@ here … Most of you guys comment here on very basic PoV

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Every team needs to have similar budget to have a competitive IPL. Players combination is in the realm of utilizing that budget and making good use of auctions 

 

I don’t think understand the “logic@ here … Most of you guys comment here on very basic PoV

So sorry to disappoint that our 'PoV' doesn't match your lofty levels.  

 

Do you seriously not realize how foolishly pompous that sounds.

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, zen said:

 

Every team has equal budget to make a team (Was 90 cr this time) & participates in the auction ... No team can do what you described  

 

You have a point if budget is restricted and no laundering, part time positions in corporation etc. 

Edited March 28, 2022 by Vilander

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, Vickydev said:

Its a domestic tournament, ofcourse the nationality matters

The fundamental point is to make it international level and not worry abt domestic, perhaps make a relegation league that's more domestic. It theory it could work. 

[Vickydev]

54 minutes ago, Vilander said:

The fundamental point is to make it international level and not worry abt domestic, perhaps make a relegation league that's more domestic. It theory it could work. 

But it raised its level to international cricket in standard though last few years while remaining a domestic competition. And it was the Indian boys who were mostly responsible.

 

We will need to bite the bullet a few years like the early to mid 2010s having some mediocre domestic cricketers but then the cream will come through and we will have more depth for the national side hopefully