Suhaan Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Pandya was a box office hitter before 2021 He changed his stance to maximize his on side game ,which made him look like a fool against anything from middle to off especially against pace Just when he was improving against pace he tinkered with his technique He was seen struggling with his timing ,SR and what not I used to like him, still like him but he is getting in that "consolidator/anchor" zone Hope his stint as GT leader help him rediscover his mojo Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Pandya was a box office hitter before 2021 He changed his stance to maximize his on side game ,which made him look like a fool against anything from middle to off especially against pace Just when he was improving against pace he tinkered with his technique He was seen struggling with his timing ,SR and what not I used to like him, still like him but he is getting in that "consolidator/anchor" zone Hope his stint as GT leader help him rediscover his mojo in T20 he is yet to be tested against good bowling attacks at the international llevel. His recent exploit in Australia was against two pie bowlers Sams and Andrew Pie. Hence a strike rate of 141 against them. Against NZ in 8 matches strike rate is 106. Against SA strike rate is 114. Against Pakistan strike rate 110. His bullying mostly came against Ireland, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Even against SL his strike rate is only 134. In ODI he can target bowlers as you get some time to spend. In T20 you should be ready to get going from the word go. Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: in T20 he is yet to be tested against good bowling attacks at the international llevel. His recent exploit in Australia was against two pie bowlers Sams and Andrew Pie. Hence a strike rate of 141 against them. Against NZ in 8 matches strike rate is 106. Against SA strike rate is 114. Against Pakistan strike rate 110. His bullying mostly came against Ireland, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Even against SL his strike rate is only 134. In ODI he can target bowlers as you get some time to spend. In T20 you should be ready to get going from the word go. List the players who can hit from the get go. Seriously. I dislike most of them. I don't think we have much at all tbh. Sky Tripathi Samad who is too raw and has been poor Paandu maybe if he works hard Pant but he sucks in LOI. Not trustworthy So poor lol. Very mediocre hitting side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Adamant said: How many 28(10) has Pandya made in t20is. Please don't try to deflect the topic, it's not just about lack of 50 but also lack of impact and performance. You are the one who started with harping on milestones (typical Pak-Ind mentality) and now we must talk about impact and performance - classic deflection right there. Pandu has underperformed in T20s, but he has enough valuable cameos in 50 overs. I think this is best format for him in Ind side. lower order needs players who can score at high SR and decent avg. 30+ batting avg at 115-120 SR in ODIs is not common, and he has that. Edited May 18, 2022 by Vijy express bowling and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 58 minutes ago, Vijy said: decent avg. 30+ batting avg at 115-120 SR in ODIs is not common, and he has that. uncommon is putting it mildly... Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Suhaan said: He changed his stance to maximize his on side game ,which made him look like a fool against anything from middle to off especially against pace Reason for changes are always counter plan Team figured him out started bowling wide yorkers which they are doing to pant now too although not yorkers and even in past dhoni, russell, pollard. Pandya choose wider stance to counter it which worked for a breif period . Pollard , russell , dhoni had their own ways. yagi, Nortje and Rabada did come under his attack but this wasnt going to last long Pollard, russel choose to take a diff guard Dhoni started moving But they found this ideas counter as well, coz this cannot work against high pace unless u have that extra ability that Butler, Livingstone or ABDV has which honestly none of dhoni, pollard, russell or pandya has Now he has switched back Maxwell also has choosen the wide stancer but it was mostly to counter leg spin as its allowing him to use switch hit better . Teams are yet to use same hard length at high pace at him which im surprised till now they havent, may be they think he is an aussie so he can play pace but when ever someone has bowled in that slot he has looked very uncomfertable This stance does make u vunerbale more when its at ur shoulder that to high pace . Edited May 18, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Vijy said: Pandu has underperformed in T20s, yea pandya and pant have both not done enough in t20 , but these are ur best so back them coz the others dont even come close . Ppl talk about these guys being found out well imagine what will happen to players who are half their ability when they get found out . sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay said: List the players who can hit from the get go. Seriously. I dislike most of them. I don't think we have much at all tbh. Sky Tripathi Samad who is too raw and has been poor Paandu maybe if he works hard Pant but he sucks in LOI. Not trustworthy So poor lol. Very mediocre hitting side. DK is the only guy since Raina, Real ability to play 360 degree, use of the crease. If you can't use the crease you cannot hit from ball one. Pant is the opposite. Only against spin he comes down. Otherwise rooted to the crease with not feet movement. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 3 hours ago, sandeep said: uncommon is putting it mildly... yes, very mildly. apart from buttler and maxi, there is probably no one else in ODIs with that specific combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin 3:!6 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Bumrah should not be playing these meaningless games, especially now since MI cant qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Tim David has hardly played international matches but many will pick him over Rohit-Kohli Andre Russell is okish in international T20 matches but again most will pick him over Rohit-Kohli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Anyone who thinks Bumrah shouldn't be an automatic selection in all 3 formats of the game should be kicked out of ICF. Lol at some one season wonders being hyped to the moon. Chakdephatte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 7 hours ago, sandeep said: uncommon is putting it mildly... Yusuf Pathan Avg 28 str rate 114. Nothing but a journeyman cricketer, no one puts him anywhere in the league of greats or even good players. He was twice the hitter Pandya is. The reality is that Pandya hasn't even come close to Pathan's level so let's just not use words like "uncommon" and "rare" for players like Pandya. @Vijy Asif Ali averages 26 at 122 in ODI's, that guy is not even good enough to grab a permanent spot in Pakistan team. Buttler is an odi great, let's not even mention Pandu in the same sentence. I think both of you need to clear your understanding of modern cricket so that you can differentiate between actual impact players(Buttler, Maxwell) and frauds(Pandya, Ali). Vijy and sandeep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Adamant said: Anyone who thinks Bumrah shouldn't be an automatic selection in all 3 formats of the game should be kicked out of ICF. Lol at some one season wonders being hyped to the moon. Not as an opening bowling in LoI. Teams don't try to hit him. Can't get wickets. He should be first change. Tbh first change in all formats. And we don't really need him in LOI. He is a choker like kohli. Until he proves us wrong he is a choker in LOI. And I love bumrah. In tests yes he is a beast. Him and Cummins are the best in tests. But both are average in LOI these days. However if bumrah can play as first change putting his ego aside then he can be a beast even in LOI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jay said: And we don't really need him in LOI. Yes, there is no such rule that every key player has to play every format since there is so much cricket throughout the year and talent knocking on the doors (and of course everyone wants to play IPL so T20 format is already covered there) Players have to align themselves with formats that work the best for them and try to pick key series to not burn themselves out (or go through motions because of too much cricket) Edited May 19, 2022 by zen Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: yea pandya and pant have both not done enough in t20 , but these are ur best so back them coz the others dont even come close . Ppl talk about these guys being found out well imagine what will happen to players who are half their ability when they get found out . Pant is still the best wk/bat we have currently. People forget he isn't a specialist batsman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, zen said: Yes, there is no such rule that every key player has to play every format since there is so much cricket throughout the year and talent knocking on the doors (and of course everyone wants to play IPL so T20 format is already covered there) Players have to align themselves with formats that work the best for them and try to pick key series to not burn themselves out (or go through motions because of too much cricket) I agree but my only real concern is when we see majority of young talents gravitate towards ipl due to money and neglect tests in the process. That's why I like how bcci has made sure to integrate talents into a ranji or A tour system prior to giving thme exposure to t20. A good test class fast bowler can Excel in any format. I want to see an increase in pay for tests victories overseas. Multiple bonuses for wins over big teams at home and away. That will keep the players motivated. It's like Google vs tier 1 companies in terms of pay right now when gou compared ipl vs tests. Sure bonuses in google are great but tier 1 is nothing to scoff at. Find the format that suits you best and what you are comfortable with. Edited May 19, 2022 by Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Adamant said: He was twice the hitter Pandya is. , do u knw why yusuf pathan failed ?? Do u have remotely any idea why that twice a hitter career went nowhere ?? 14 hours ago, Adamant said: The reality is that Pandya hasn't even come close to Pathan's level so let's just not use words like "uncommon" and "rare" for players like Pandya. count me good knocks of yusuf at international, ill count of pandya's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamant Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: , do u knw why yusuf pathan failed ?? Do u have remotely any idea why that twice a hitter career went nowhere ?? count me good knocks of yusuf at international, ill count of pandya's Yeah, but count only the ones not played against D grade attacks and I am in. Pandya will have to take a rebirth to emulate Yusuf's heroic century in SA. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Adamant said: Yeah, but count only the ones not played against D grade attacks and I am in. avg 68 against Aus, 115 s/r (dont make a fool of urself now by saying he hasnt played their best bowlers) before u say its coz he ends being no out- 480 runs in 8 innings (do the math) avg of 43 against england 129 s/r Kuch pata nhin bas bolna hai Quote Pandya will have to take a rebirth to emulate Yusuf's heroic century in SA. he almost got a 100 in SA in a test match(far difficult n far better attack ) Even thisara perera has a mad 140 in 74 balls in Nz shud i start comparing him Rohit sharma an ATG of the format but doesnt have a 100 in NZ ohh btw u didnt tell me why did that twice the hitter career went nowhere , infact even in IPL kept rolling downhill to career end (whereas his peers like DK, uthappa, Rayudu who debut before him still playing) Edited May 19, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03 sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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