We need gritty and good temperament players like Rahul Tewatia in Indian XI

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

How is IPL right benchmark when the same guys who were blowing opposition in IPL-the likes of Yuzi, Pandya(with bowl), Harshal have started going missing now? Kishan who was in bad form in IPL has become the best Indian batsman in these two games. Watch out for Jadeja, he will be back to best too. Shami was excellent with new ball for GT but same Shami doesn't pick wickets consistently in T20 internationals for India. Why is it so? I would say it is because they get the support from their international comporaries in IPL. Hence why IPL results shouldn't be set as benchmark.

 

As for Shaw and Ruturaj, Shaw inspite of small weaknesses scored 300+ runs in 9 innings and scored his runs at a brisk rate. He doesn't start in Indian XI straightaway but having an option of him is always good to have. There is no reason why he shouldnt be playing for this second string Indian team.

 

Right benchmark is to see quality not to see numbers n decide who scored more n lets take. If you start taking every game as huge sample zindagi men team nhin banegi 

About these 2 games, dont u think its such a small sample to even make a call

 

• Same Delhi ground if i show u what happened to bumrah in last IPL game he played their that to against a much inferior batsman will u call him . SA also gave huge total then why to abuse our bowlers only 
• What kishen has shown in IPL will nothing be different then international, he has been inconsistent in IPL so will he be in international . 2 game sample is to low ...too low .
• Harshal has done well in whatever international chances he got, ur counting him out is basically on one delhi game where everyone went for runs . Problem isnt IPL its the sample ur taking. 

 

Aur kisne kaha hai IPL men form bhi dekho, Last yr everyone was laughing at warner , rashid khan , hasaranga failing IPL. 

IPL is the right benchmark to see qualities, strength and weakness and thats a deeper word then u think .

 

Selection shud be a simple process-

• choose the right players 
• How do u select right player by seeing domestic - IPL is our domestic t20 with higher quality . U cant select them without watching matches and IPL gives u those matches with much more higher quality then domestic 
• How do u select right horses- looking for player with right qualities 
• then back them 

 

Wo to dimag na lagane wali baat ho gayi ki jo acha krta hai usko lelo, to fir wo to koi bhi top scorer aur wkt taker dekh ke karle. And second its not instant food that ull get immediate results or they are not robots that u expect them to perform every game 

[zen]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

How is IPL right benchmark when the same guys who were blowing opposition in IPL-the likes of Yuzi, Pandya(with bowl), Harshal have started going missing now? Kishan who was in bad form in IPL has become the best Indian batsman in these two games.

IPl is of higher quality than these bilaterals as you mix best of international talent with domestic talent. The pressure to win IPL is very high. 

 

Yuzi did well in different conditions. Was not effective in playoffs on fresh pitches. Some of his wkts were in high pressure situations like in the game versus KKR. Bowling 2nd, which Ind has done so far can impact both bowling & batting.

 

Talking about Kishan, in the first game, Kishan mostly struggled, making his runs in an over or two to improve his SR. SA made the mistake of bowling spinners for an extended period to both Kishan & S Iyer. In the 2nd game, the ball was keeping low, which again works for Kishan where he was able to leverage on some short stuff not going above the waist. As soon as SA got the ball at the shoulder level, he held out.

In IPL, at venues for group games, there was relatively more bounce on the red soil wkts. 
 

PS guys like Kishan, Rituraj, V Iyer, S Iyer, Avesh, Yuzi, Bishnoi, Harshal, Hooda, etc were already part of T20 series versus WI & SL … Umran & Arshdeep are the only new faces.

Edited June 13, 2022 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, zen said:

IPl is of higher quality than these bilaterals as you mix best of international talent with domestic talent. The pressure to win IPL is very high.

 

teams around the world use bilateral to try various combinations as well and new plans. In IPL they have to be always on Plan A coz a slip means out of tournament 

In IPL they exposed Iyer to short ball stuff but when england came they kept bowling to his strength . 

 

I think at this point every has seen enough ICC tournament to get that things dont happen same way as in bilaterals . Proven again n again n will keep happening 

 

 

2 minutes ago, zen said:

Yuzi did well in different conditions. Was not effective in playoffs on fresh pitches. Some of his wkts were in high pressure situations like in the game versus KKR. Bowling 2nd, which Ind has done so far can impact both bowling & batting.

 

In the first game, Kishan mostly struggled, making his runs in an over or two to improve his SR. SA made the mistake of bowling spinners for an extended period to both Kishan & S Iyer. In the 2nd game, the ball was keeping low, which again works for Kishan where he was able to leverage on some short stuff not going above the waist. As soon as SA got the ball at the shoulder level, he held out.

 

and he mostly targetted maharaj who basically falls in his zone 

kishen will also have that pandya, pollard, russell hard length problem . Samson n shaw already has it 

 

2nd game ill ignore for batting it was a terrible terrible pitch. such pitches are disgraces for t20 

 

2 minutes ago, zen said:

In IPL, at venues for group games, there was relatively more bounce on the red soil wkts. 

 

 

 

Their will never be a proper answer to selections- best way is to mark right horses and back them to end .

ICF logic se selection hone lagi to kohli bhi uske saamne patience wala nazar aayega. Yaha to player ek match flop nhin hota wo sabse faltu player ban jata hai

[zen]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

teams around the world use bilateral to try various combinations as well and new plans. In IPL they have to be always on Plan A coz a slip means out of tournament 

In IPL they exposed Iyer to short ball stuff but when england came they kept bowling to his strength . 

 

I think at this point every has seen enough ICC tournament to get that things dont happen same way as in bilaterals . Proven again n again n will keep happening

 

Bilaterals are the lowest tier of LOI cricket (exceptions include when two top full strength side battle it out, which can offer some value esp. for the overseas team) so a good avenue for teams to experiment. ICC world cups sit at the top, Bilaterals at the bottom, IPL in the middle. 

 

IPL is also a long tournament so conditions (and even form) change as the tournament progresses. In the H&A format, teams used to play 7 games at home venues. 

 

Edited June 13, 2022 by zen