Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?

[coffee_rules]

14 minutes ago, ash said:

Also mama has not explained the presence of Tamil and the Dravidian languages, how it came to India and who these people are?
 

But don’t worry mama we won’t ask you to Go back to steppe. Not yet 

Dravidian language family is a 19th century Caldwell invention. India before Sanskrit had many languages and they all borrowed and assimilated from each other. Sanskrit got structure, vyakarna and poetry for enjoyment of rasa. Prakrit is the colloquial form of Sanskrit and that is what gave rise to regional languages of India starting from Tamil. Idayam in Tamil has a root word in Sanskrit (Hridayam). There is no Dravidian race or gene . Ancestral South Indian gene is synthesized and is debatable in scientific circles. Don’t have separatist ideas from science. In fact, UN and progessives world over and even scientific community shun and don’t believe in race theory. There is nothing different from you and your neighbor from NE. Stop throwing alphabets to identify races

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, ash said:

Yes, just shows how stupid “ Go back to Pakistan” Rhetoric is 

No , that was sarcastic, you idiot. 50000 years ago is not the same as a few 100 years. We have knowledge, politics, faith, culture and diverse thoughts since then. Post-Modernism of “countries without borders” is communism evolved in the 20th century . 

[rkt.india]

10 minutes ago, ash said:

Yes, just shows how stupid “ Go back to Pakistan” Rhetoric is 

Go back to Pakistan is called because it was created for certain section and if any of them don't feel good here, they are free to go to the place that was especially created for them 

[rkt.india]

14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Dravidian language family is a 19th century Caldwell invention. India before Sanskrit had many languages and they all borrowed and assimilated from each other. Sanskrit got structure, vyakarna and poetry for enjoyment of rasa. Prakrit is the colloquial form of Sanskrit and that is what gave rise to regional languages of India starting from Tamil. Idayam in Tamil has a root word in Sanskrit (Hridayam). There is no Dravidian race or gene . Ancestral South Indian gene is synthesized and is debatable in scientific circles. Don’t have separatist ideas from science. In fact, UN and progessives world over and even scientific community shun and don’t believe in race theory. There is nothing different from you and your neighbor from NE. Stop throwing alphabets to identify races

Yeah because everyone originated from Africa so what's the point of different races.  we are all chimpanzees that turned into humans by mistake.

Edited May 29, 2022 by rkt.india

[ash]

4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

No , that was sarcastic, you idiot. 50000 years ago is not the same as a few 100 years. We have knowledge, politics, faith, culture and diverse thoughts since then. Post-Modernism of “countries without borders” is communism evolved in the 20th century . 

Mama, who sets these timeline? You are going back 600 years and blaming Mughals, I am going 4000 years back and blaming Aryans. Maybe if Aryans didn’t come here, India would have been a superpower now. If you can ask a Muslim born and brought up in India to go back to Pakistan, I can surely ask you to go back to Steppe

[ash]

14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Ancestral South Indian gene is synthesized and is debatable in scientific circles.

Debatable in RW fanatic circles . ASI and ANI is very well established.

 

Again, I am not the one who is having separatist thoughts. The whole argument came because RW lunatics can’t see Muslims as Indians and wants to reclaim lost glory. Isn’t that separatist? You can’t leave history alone and want to dig up sites to reclaim India before Mughal Invasion. Who is the separatist here mama?

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Yeah because everyone originated from Africa so what's the point of different races.

European nations are obsessed with races. The Dutch divided Rwandan citizens based on lengths of noses and created a divide among citizens and caused a civil war. Brits and Missionaries brought AIT to divide Indians into Aryans and Dravidians , now population genetics. Same thoughts with a new hue. 

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, ash said:

Mama, who sets these timeline? You are going back 600 years and blaming Mughals, I am going 4000 years back and blaming Aryans. Maybe if Aryans didn’t come here, India would have been a superpower now. If you can ask a Muslim born and brought up in India to go back to Pakistan, I can surely ask you to go back to Steppe

But there's no such thing like Aryans. Whoever came assimilated. While muslims came and forced their beliefs on us, destroyed our universities and belief systems. That's what you call invasion. You didn't invade US. You went there, worked, earned your living and followed their rules if you are an NRI. There is not an iota of evidence of Aryans invading and destroying because everything existed much before whoever came in. 

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, ash said:

Mama, who sets these timeline? You are going back 600 years and blaming Mughals, I am going 4000 years back and blaming Aryans. Maybe if Aryans didn’t come here, India would have been a superpower now. If you can ask a Muslim born and brought up in India to go back to Pakistan, I can surely ask you to go back to Steppe

So written history is same as some cock and Bull story of linguistic theory. You are regurgitating what Colonial Indologists like William Jones said in the 18th century 

[rkt.india]

In civilizations, people always come and go, some for trade, some for settlement. Now we have Gujaratis settled in my colony and their kids are not Gujarati anymore. That is natural evolution.

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, ash said:

Debatable in RW fanatic circles . ASI and ANI is very well established.

 

Again, I am not the one who is having separatist thoughts. The whole argument came because RW lunatics can’t see Muslims as Indians and wants to reclaim lost glory. Isn’t that separatist? You can’t leave history alone and want to dig up sites to reclaim India before Mughal Invasion. Who is the separatist here mama?

Yes, show me proof of Aryan Invasion like the Aurangzeb atrocity. This is false equivalence that colonialists tried. There is no separatism here. All this OP is talking about is acceptance of truth that Moghuls destroyed temples. They didn’t come in peace, they wanted to impose their desert cult. Muslims of modern India are welcome to assimilate and live peacefully. Don’t eulogize Aurangzeb is a simple ask. Nobody wants a civil war like Africa

[ash]

5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

So written history is same as some cock and Bull story of linguistic theory. You are regurgitating what Colonial Indologists like William Jones said in the 18th century 

Mama even in this day and age of modern record keeping , it is difficult to find the right source and the correct data. How are we supposed to judge a historical document then? That can also be Cock and Bull story.

 

That is why as I keep saying , 1947 should be a clean slate and leave history aside. Nothing good will come from it. Don’t have separatist thoughts and try to divide the country. 

[coffee_rules]

8 minutes ago, ash said:

Mama even in this day and age of modern record keeping , it is difficult to find the right source and the correct data. How are we supposed to judge a historical document then? That can also be Cock and Bull story.

 

That is why as I keep saying , 1947 should be a clean slate and leave history aside. Nothing good will come from it. Don’t have separatist thoughts and try to divide the country. 

Paapa, Moghuls kept their own biographies and were proud of their kaarname. Alamgirnama proudly documented which temples were destroyed. There is no confusion there. Just reiterating it causes heartburn, but we have to read how benovalent Moghuls were and Aryans came charging down horses and drove Dravidians down to TN?

Edited May 29, 2022 by coffee_rules

[coffee_rules]

20 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

In civilizations, people always come and go, some for trade, some for settlement. Now we have Gujaratis settled in my colony and their kids are not Gujarati anymore. That is natural evolution.

Rigveda speaks of adopting ideas of loser tribes of war (Vishwamitra) as well to live in peace. But desert cult imposed their ideas on all invaded countries, no questions asked

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[ash]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Aryans came charging down horses and drove Dravidians down to TN!! 

Nope, they basically settled in after the Harappans moved south. They were priests and nomads.

 

And reg the Mughal invasion , the Muslims of India have shed blood in the freedom struggle. They chose to be in India after partition. They are Indians and they have equal rights as others. They are not Mughals they are Indians so leave them alone. 

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, ash said:

Nope, they basically settled in after the Harappans moved south. They were priests and nomads.

 

And reg the Mughal invasion , the Muslims of India have shed blood in the freedom struggle. They chose to be in India after partition. They are Indians and they have equal rights as others. They are not Mughals they are Indians so leave them alone. 

There was no reason for Harappans to move to south when they had 1400 colonies flourishing from Indus to Yamuna, Ganges and from Sindh to Maharashtra.

[coffee_rules]

19 minutes ago, ash said:

Nope, they basically settled in after the Harappans moved south. They were priests and nomads.

 

And reg the Mughal invasion , the Muslims of India have shed blood in the freedom struggle. They chose to be in India after partition. They are Indians and they have equal rights as others. They are not Mughals they are Indians so leave them alone. 

Of course who’s objecting to that? Recording the true history helps in reconciliation for the future 

[ash]

The problem with RW fanatics is Hypocrisy. If someone is proud of their Language, they immediately accuse them of being a separatist and take moral lessons about how everyone is an Indian and country comes first. But they are the ones who see everything from Hindu Muslim Lens and still see Muslims as Mughals.  They are the real separatists
 

The people praying now in Gyanvapi mosque are Indians. Not Muslims or Mughals but Indians. And they have been praying there for 75 years since Indian independence. If RW really love their country like they claim, they will leave the Indians alone

Edited May 29, 2022 by ash

[coffee_rules]

So what if the boy is professing Hindu and Christian genocide? He is after all a peaceful Indian proud of his identity!

 

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, ash said:

The problem with RW fanatics is Hypocrisy. If someone is proud of their Language, they immediately accuse them of being a separatist and take moral lessons about how everyone is an Indian and country comes first. But they are the ones who see everything from Hindu Muslim Lens and still see Muslims as Mughals.  They are the real separatists
 

The people praying now in Gyanvapi mosque are Indians. Not Muslims or Mughals but Indians. And they have been praying there for 75 years since Indian independence. If RW really love their country like they claim, they will leave the Indians alone

Mosque is not a holy site, it is a place for congregation and prayer. It can be built anywhere, they even pray on roads and airports. Why do they insist on praying in a site that was built on a the destruction of a temple , just for spite, to rub salt on the wounds of the majority  community ?