Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?

[Prakat]

Daily routine for the past few days, turn on A/C on full, make a mango shake, top with mango-pulp ice-cubes, turn on tv and watch passionate hindus and muslims with nothing to do on a weekday, slug it out in the blistering midday heat of the central plains and silently thank our lucky stars that we were too focused on building massive hydroelectric dams and indigenous atomic energy in the early days of the republic.

[ash]

What is the point of forming a democracy and constitution, if we keep bringing up ancient history? 15th August 1947 should be considered as a clean slate. 

 

The “India” we know now is formed because of the freedom struggle. A common enemy united us and everyone who fought the Britishers, stayed back in India in partition and worked for the country are Indians. Absolute buffoonery to tag people as Mughals , Arabs, foreigners etc. Who gave you the authority to claim that you are the “True Indian” ?

[rangeelaraja]

4 hours ago, Prakat said:

Daily routine for the past few days, turn on A/C on full, make a mango shake, top with mango-pulp ice-cubes, turn on tv and watch passionate hindus and muslims with nothing to do on a weekday, slug it out in the blistering midday heat of the central plains and silently thank our lucky stars that we were too focused on building massive hydroelectric dams and indigenous atomic energy in the early days of the republic.

 

Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.

 

This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.

 

Those forces are backed politically.

 

And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
 

To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
 

In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.

 

This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
 

India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
 

 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

When there is no fear of beheading 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

56 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.

 

This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.

 

Those forces are backed politically.

 

And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
 

To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
 

In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.

 

This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
 

India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
 

 

 

 

Normally I don’t agree with you. But you are spot on here. Economic growth and civilizational renaissance  will happen together. 

[ash]

1 hour ago, rangeelaraja said:

that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die ..

You mean the Aryan Invasion? Yup about time 

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, ash said:

What is the point of forming a democracy and constitution, if we keep bringing up ancient history? 15th August 1947 should be considered as a clean slate. 

 

The “India” we know now is formed because of the freedom struggle. A common enemy united us and everyone who fought the Britishers, stayed back in India in partition and worked for the country are Indians. Absolute buffoonery to tag people as Mughals , Arabs, foreigners etc. Who gave you the authority to claim that you are the “True Indian” ?

That's partially right.  But that's the sole reason also India may never fulfill its true potential as it is not a Homogeneous society.  Eastern Asian countries have that distinct advantage over us. 

We are just too divided.  British knew that for so long & how easily they crushed 1857 is proof of that. 

It literally took a World shaking event like WW2 to get our Independence.   

Problem with us Indian people mostly is we don't know our own history & that's the reason we dwell on wrong things everytime. 

[ash]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

That's partially right.  But that's the sole reason also India may never fulfill its true potential as it is not a Homogeneous society.  Eastern Asian countries have that distinct advantage over us. 

We are just too divided.  British knew that for so long & how easily they crushed 1857 is proof of that. 

It literally took a World shaking event like WW2 to get our Independence.   

Problem with us Indian people mostly is we don't know our own history & that's the reason we dwell on wrong things everytime. 

India was never a homogeneous society. None of the big empires of the past covered the entire country. The only thing that united us was the freedom struggle.
 

Hypothetically similar scenario would be if Nazi germany somehow had managed to capture entire Europe and ruled for 200 years and then Europe got independence. Will Europe be a single country or stay divided?  We are basically a set of smaller countries cellotaped together 

[Prakat]

10 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.

 

This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.

 

Those forces are backed politically.

 

And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
 

To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
 

In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.

 

This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
 

India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
 

 

 

 

 

I take full cognisance of your cause and wish you the best. May you succeed in what you're doing while keeping a cool head! 

[Yoda-esque]

What is the point of forming a democracy and constitution, if we keep bringing up ancient history? 15th August 1947 should be considered as a clean slate. 
 
The “India” we know now is formed because of the freedom struggle. A common enemy united us and everyone who fought the Britishers, stayed back in India in partition and worked for the country are Indians. Absolute buffoonery to tag people as Mughals , Arabs, foreigners etc. Who gave you the authority to claim that you are the “True Indian” ?

Sure ..then there should be no problem accepting ucc right?

[Yoda-esque]

A nation that does not recognize it's history is not a nation,but merely a country with geopolitical context.

There's a reason why Italy, Spain ,UK hold on to their traditions and history.
Why do Spanish eat pork? In all these secular and liberal countries ,only church bells toll? Why?

[rkt.india]

On 5/18/2022 at 6:27 AM, Prakat said:

Daily routine for the past few days, turn on A/C on full, make a mango shake, top with mango-pulp ice-cubes, turn on tv and watch passionate hindus and muslims with nothing to do on a weekday, slug it out in the blistering midday heat of the central plains and silently thank our lucky stars that we were too focused on building massive hydroelectric dams and indigenous atomic energy in the early days of the republic.

We are still focussed on building dams. These things are exclusive to each other.  First part of Lakhwar-Vyasi dam on Yamuna just completed which was stuck for 30 years and started running again when Modi Sarkar came in and they are also building solar power parks. Because the need for energy will only increase.

Edited May 19, 2022 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

On 5/18/2022 at 12:02 PM, ash said:

You mean the Aryan Invasion? Yup about time 

Hoax

[Lone Wolf]

12 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:

A nation that does not recognize it's history is not a nation,but merely a country with geopolitical context.

There's a reason why Italy, Spain ,UK hold on to their traditions and history.
Why do Spanish eat pork? In all these secular and liberal countries ,only church bells toll? Why?

Coz Spain successfully ended the Muslim rule way back in 1492.  Catholic rulers issued a order to convert Muslims back into Christianity.  Those who didn't brutal restrictions were imposed on them.  Nobody can't deny this & neither should they. 

Same goes for Italy where Arabs didn't managed a stronghold outside Sicily & were eventually driven out of there.  Parts of Arab architecture is still visible there. 

Rest of the western Europe always remained a frontier. 

 

 

[ash]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Hoax

Point is no one can claim that they are true Indians. How many can go back and prove who their ancestor was 500 years ago? India is a mixed society, no one can claim they are true Hindus/Muslims/Aryans/Dravidians etc. 

[Clarke]

On 5/18/2022 at 10:52 AM, ash said:

What is the point of forming a democracy and constitution, if we keep bringing up ancient history? 15th August 1947 should be considered as a clean slate. 

 

The “India” we know now is formed because of the freedom struggle. A common enemy united us and everyone who fought the Britishers, stayed back in India in partition and worked for the country are Indians. Absolute buffoonery to tag people as Mughals , Arabs, foreigners etc. Who gave you the authority to claim that you are the “True Indian” ?

 

So no reservations according to you as per the clean slate ? Or is Islamic tyranny of occupying the holiest sites of Hinduism acceptable while Brahminical tyranny needs corrective actions ? 

[ash]

54 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

So no reservations according to you as per the clean slate ? Or is Islamic tyranny of occupying the holiest sites of Hinduism acceptable while Brahminical tyranny needs corrective actions ? 

Lol. Casteism did not magically disappear after 1947. There are anti casteist laws because it is still a menace. Official NCRB site data is almost 50k caste crimes every year.   But is Islamic occupation still happening? Are we under attack from Mughals again? How many “Holy sites” are occupied after independence? 
 

if you are going to use “whataboutery” and try to twist the argument, at least come up with a decent comparison 

 

 

[Clarke]

21 minutes ago, ash said:

Lol. Casteism did not magically disappear after 1947. There are anti casteist laws because it is still a menace. Official NCRB site data is almost 50k caste crimes every year.   But is Islamic occupation still happening? Are we under attack from Mughals again? How many “Holy sites” are occupied after independence? 
 

if you are going to use “whataboutery” and try to twist the argument, at least come up with a decent comparison 

 

 

 

Wow, I said reservations and you go on anti discrimination laws on crimes, what a classic shifting of goalpost 

 

The idea anyways was to correct some historical wrongs. One can't provide justice for centuries of oppression, but equal opportunity by indirect means was some kind of reparation. The same is the idea here, its just not feasible or fair to reverse the history and change thousands of religious sites. The bare minimum to to restore the holiest ones of Ayodhya Kashi & Mathura which bigots like you obviously have a problem with.

[ash]

37 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

Wow, I said reservations and you go on anti discrimination laws on crimes, what a classic shifting of goalpost 

 

The idea anyways was to correct some historical wrongs. One can't provide justice for centuries of oppression, but equal opportunity by indirect means was some kind of reparation. The same is the idea here, its just not feasible or fair to reverse the history and change thousands of religious sites. The bare minimum to to restore the holiest ones of Ayodhya Kashi & Mathura which bigots like you obviously have a problem with.

classic victim mentality on display here comparing reservations with rebuilding temples.

 

you need to understand history first before playing the victim card. Destroying the opponents holy sites as part of conquest is a common tactic in all kingdoms. Even before Islamic invaders, Hindu kings have destroyed and looted opponent’s Hindu temples as part of conquest to show their power. A simple google search will give you many examples of this. Even the famous Puri Jagannath temple was allegedly a Buddhist temple before. This is what happens in a country with such a long history. **** happens. There is absolutely nothing to be gained here by reopening the old wound, except communal clashes and consolidating vote banks

 

And that is why August 15 1947 should be a clean slate for all religions structures

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, ash said:

classic victim mentality on display here comparing reservations with rebuilding temples.

 

you need to understand history first before playing the victim card. Destroying the opponents holy sites as part of conquest is a common tactic in all kingdoms. Even before Islamic invaders, Hindu kings have destroyed and looted opponent’s Hindu temples as part of conquest to show their power. A simple google search will give you many examples of this. Even the famous Puri Jagannath temple was allegedly a Buddhist temple before. This is what happens in a country with such a long history. **** happens. There is absolutely nothing to be gained here by reopening the old wound, except communal clashes and consolidating vote banks

 

And that is why August 15 1947 should be a clean slate for all religions structures

 

Right, nothing to be gained, screw them hindooz and their beliefs and the sanctity of their holiest sites. Top notch Hinduphobia on display, did you pick this up from the imaginary schools you created once on this forum ? 

 

Its you who needs a lesson or two in history where remnants of extreme barbarism are cleared. It takes time, but it will be done eventually one way or another.