kepler37b Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Idiocy of the highest order. This is what will happen if you don’t read diverse material and stick to dumeel nitwits from Periyar to . Sangam literature totally accepts Vedic culture, Vedic gods and rituals. The Caldwellputras have tried to rewrite Sangam removing any Vedic references. Read Prof Nagaswamy and other experts of Samgam literature. https://www.indica.today/quick-reads/dr-nagaswamy-an-epigraphist-par-excellence/ Been missing on OCF for long Periyarites are experts in cut and paste history. Tomorrow they will say that Tamil's are aliens descended from other galaxy and all movies for eternity are all remakes of Tamizh movies. dial_100, ravishingravi, Clarke and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 16 hours ago, kepler37b said: Periyarites are experts in cut and paste history. Tomorrow they will say that Tamil's are aliens descended from other galaxy and all movies for eternity are all remakes of Tamizh movies. Some of them already claim that with KumariKandam & Lemuria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 hours ago, diga said: Some of them already claim that with KumariKandam & Lemuria Bharadwaj Rangan is a popular tamil movie critic. He criticized Jai Bhim movie for it's utter simplistic potrayal of characters. And boom, all the periyarists and dhumeel's infested the comment section with casteist abuses. These people are insane and deranged. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 We need to do a separate thread on just Aryan Invasion Theory. It is quite something that in this day and age this is seriously being proposed as a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 18 hours ago, ravishingravi said: We need to do a separate thread on just Aryan Invasion Theory. It is quite something that in this day and age this is seriously being proposed as a possibility. AIT has long been debunked... But older Rigvedic & Avestan scripts do indicate that maybe there was difference in cultures that has somehow kept Migration theory alive. It is entirely possible IVC was composed of those settlers... As geology studies do show that Indus did start drying up close to 1800 BC. They could have later modified themselves into vedic culture. It's a complex topic that will unlikely to go away sooner. ash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: AIT has long been debunked... But older Rigvedic & Avestan scripts do indicate that maybe there was difference in cultures that has somehow kept Migration theory alive. It is entirely possible IVC was composed of those settlers... As geology studies do show that Indus did start drying up close to 1800 BC. They could have later modified themselves into vedic culture. It's a complex topic that will unlikely to go away sooner. The references to migrations In Rigveda and Avesta are all outward strongly supporting OIT (Out of India) theory. Avesta has Vedic names that can be referenced in Vedas at least 500 years earlier. AIT will not go away anywhere, still strongly supported in western academia and our Marxist historians suffering from Romilitis. We have Caldwell progeny in Dravidanadu who believe in AIT and still taught in our NCERT books There was thread I had started earlier on AIT. We can discuss it in this thread This Professor (Michel Danino) is pretty good on AIT and IVC, has written a couple of books on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: The references to migrations In Rigveda and Avesta are all outward strongly supporting OIT (Out of India) theory. Avesta has Vedic names that can be referenced in Vedas at least 500 years earlier. AIT will not go away anywhere, still strongly supported in western academia and our Marxist historians suffering from Romilitis. We have Caldwell progeny in Dravidanadu who believe in AIT and still taught in our NCERT books There was thread I had started earlier on AIT. We can discuss it in this thread This Professor (Michel Danino) is pretty good on AIT and IVC, has written a couple of books on the subject Yes In India especially Southern India I have found there are lot of backers to AIT. They gave reference to a Pandyan King Nedunjcheliyan I (270 BCE) who overcame large so called Aryan forces according to 2600 year old Sangam literature. NCERT still proudly mentions AIT in textbooks. Both OIT & AIT have weaker base compared to AMT as of now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Yes In India especially Southern India I have found there are lot of backers to AIT. They gave reference to a Pandyan King Nedunjcheliyan I (270 BCE) who overcame large so called Aryan forces according to 2600 year old Sangam literature. NCERT still proudly mentions AIT in textbooks. Both OIT & AIT have weaker base compared to AMT as of now though. No archeological evidence for AMT, Migratory tribes leave something behind. There is nothing to connect original aryans to the Eurasian land, except linguistic connection. This can be proven better with OIT. There are references in Rigveda where tribes have moved westward. But linguists are busy designing PIE out of thin air and smoke, that is Proto-IndoEuropean language, mother of all languages including Samskruta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 20 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: AIT has long been debunked... But older Rigvedic & Avestan scripts do indicate that maybe there was difference in cultures that has somehow kept Migration theory alive. It is entirely possible IVC was composed of those settlers... As geology studies do show that Indus did start drying up close to 1800 BC. They could have later modified themselves into vedic culture. It's a complex topic that will unlikely to go away sooner. Indus is still there. How did it get dried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Indus is still there. How did it get dried? This might help you to understand https://www.natureasia.com/en/nindia/article/10.1038/nindia.2018.61 Edited May 26, 2022 by Lone Wolf Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/24/2022 at 12:28 AM, coffee_rules said: Idiocy of the highest order. This is what will happen if you don’t read diverse material and stick to dumeel nitwits from Periyar to . Sangam literature totally accepts Vedic culture, Vedic gods and rituals. The Caldwellputras have tried to rewrite Sangam removing any Vedic references. Read Prof Nagaswamy and other experts of Samgam literature. https://www.indica.today/quick-reads/dr-nagaswamy-an-epigraphist-par-excellence/ Been missing on IICF for long Coffee mama, the argument was not about religion. I did not say that sangam literature does not have any reference to Vedic gods. The point was that the concept of Bharat or India is never mentioned in any sangam literature. Language took precedence over Religion. It still does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, ash said: Coffee mama, the argument was not about religion. I did not say that sangam literature does not have any reference to Vedic gods. The point was that the concept of Bharat or India is never mentioned in any sangam literature. Language took precedence over Religion. It still does Ash kanna, Bharat had many references in Classical Indian literature. Aryadesham, ArYavarta, Nabhivarsha, Jambudwipa and Bharat. If Sangam literature didn’t connect to the land above current TN, why are there references to Himalayas, Ganga, Ujjain, Kashi and other Holy places of India. https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/jambhudwipa-in-tamil-literature-and-kalidas “ No other religious worship is done like Hindu worship. No one bothers about when it is done or where it is done. Another interesting point is the botanical and ethnic knowledge Hindus have. They named all the areas after an abundant plant or the ethnic people in the area. Jambu, Salmali and such plant names are given to the geographical areas. But Jambudwipa is synonymous with India that is Bharat.. The word Jambu means a tree known by its botanical name Syzigium cumini (Family Myrtaceae). This tree is found all over India. Tamils also translated the word Jambudwipa as Naavalanthivu and used it in their ancient literature. Naaval Pazam means Jambu fruits. Following references are found in the Sangam Tamil Literature: Purananauru is an anthology of 400 Tamil verses. This forms the oldest part of Tamil Sangam literature. It has got some important references to the tree. One of the references in verse 397 refers to the special type of gold called Jambunadham. Kalidas refers to this Jhambunadam in Ragu Vamsam 18—44. The same is repeated in Sangam Tamil verses (Puram 397 and Thirumurugatru Padai –Line 18).” Some of them describe their land boundaries from Himalayas to Kanyakumari Carving out a separate identity has been a movement since missionaries like Caldwell carved out a Dravidian identity and hence the distancing from Vedic, Sanskrit and Bharatvarsha roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I have one doubt @ash. If Tamil culture existed before Sanskrit then when did Aryans invade and sent Dravidians to South India. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/24/2022 at 2:06 AM, kepler37b said: Periyarites are experts in cut and paste history. Tomorrow they will say that Tamil's are aliens descended from other galaxy and all movies for eternity are all remakes of Tamizh movies. Aa su che? People who drink sparkling water? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Ash kanna, Bharat had many references in Classical Indian literature. Aryadesham, ArYavarta, Nabhivarsha, Jambudwipa and Bharat. If Sangam literature didn’t connect to the land above current TN, why are there references to Himalayas, Ganga, Ujjain, Kashi and other Holy places of India. https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/jambhudwipa-in-tamil-literature-and-kalidas “ No other religious worship is done like Hindu worship. No one bothers about when it is done or where it is done. Another interesting point is the botanical and ethnic knowledge Hindus have. They named all the areas after an abundant plant or the ethnic people in the area. Jambu, Salmali and such plant names are given to the geographical areas. But Jambudwipa is synonymous with India that is Bharat.. The word Jambu means a tree known by its botanical name Syzigium cumini (Family Myrtaceae). This tree is found all over India. Tamils also translated the word Jambudwipa as Naavalanthivu and used it in their ancient literature. Naaval Pazam means Jambu fruits. Following references are found in the Sangam Tamil Literature: Purananauru is an anthology of 400 Tamil verses. This forms the oldest part of Tamil Sangam literature. It has got some important references to the tree. One of the references in verse 397 refers to the special type of gold called Jambunadham. Kalidas refers to this Jhambunadam in Ragu Vamsam 18—44. The same is repeated in Sangam Tamil verses (Puram 397 and Thirumurugatru Padai –Line 18).” Some of them describe their land boundaries from Himalayas to Kanyakumari Carving out a separate identity has been a movement since missionaries like Caldwell carved out a Dravidian identity and hence the distancing from Vedic, Sanskrit and Bharatvarsha roots. Mama, I know the Mauryan empire is called Jambudwipa but that did not cover the south. Also as I said already, a landmass not separated by sea will surely have trade routes and it is not surprise that the sangam literature mentions other parts of the subcontinent. They also mention parts of china so does that mean China was part of India ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: I have one doubt @ash. If Tamil culture existed before Sanskrit then when did Aryans invade and sent Dravidians to South India. The Indus Valley civilisation ended because of extreme drought and famine. The Harappans eventually moved and settled down south, the remaining population mixed with the Steppe nomads. https://m.economictimes.com/news/science/steppe-migration-to-india-was-between-3500-4000-years-ago-david-reich/amp_articleshow/71556277.cms coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prakat Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Aa su che? People who drink sparkling water? This is offensive to Evian Enthusiasts everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 hours ago, ash said: Mama, I know the Mauryan empire is called Jambudwipa but that did not cover the south. Also as I said already, a landmass not separated by sea will surely have trade routes and it is not surprise that the sangam literature mentions other parts of the subcontinent. They also mention parts of china so does that mean China was part of India ? Jambudwipa predates maurya empire, it has references in puranas. It is not mere mentions, yes Tibet is mentioned, but not how it is mentioned as bein connected. A lot of kings in the south used to take pride in calling themselves being of the lineage of kuru, chandra and Ishvaku vamshas . Kashi yatra was a lifetime dream. India was not invented in 1947. ash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 hours ago, ash said: The Indus Valley civilisation ended because of extreme drought and famine. The Harappans eventually moved and settled down south, the remaining population mixed with the Steppe nomads. https://m.economictimes.com/news/science/steppe-migration-to-india-was-between-3500-4000-years-ago-david-reich/amp_articleshow/71556277.cms Are you Tony Joseph to concoct such stories out of no proof? If A river dried up, it would make sense for tribes to move to basins and settlements nearby rivers like Ganga , Yamuna etc., and not move across thick jungle and vindhya mountains to the south! Other theories like Kumarikandam make more sense than your theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: Aa su che? People who drink sparkling water? Periyarites would never touch this drink that was brought by Steppe nomads from Anatolia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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