Mariyam Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) On 5/17/2022 at 12:19 AM, LordPrabhzy said: It’s ironic that most Indian Muslims are decendents of the products of mass rapes and forced conversions to Islam.. they have no gene or ethnic connection with Arabs or central turkics I’m so glad I’m still a Hindu cos my ancestors fought for survival and didn’t compromise our faith. their praise right now is part of their wider inferiority complex which compels them to try assert dominance over kaffirs just to get validation from their high masters How can you be so sure? Your ancestors could have been cowards who gave up their turf and fled to a safer part of the sub continent. Or they could have been collaborators with the foreign invaders, whom the invaders let be for vast sums of yearly payment. Edited May 28, 2022 by Mariyam ash, Stan AF and EnterTheVoid 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 10 hours ago, ash said: The Indus Valley civilisation ended because of extreme drought and famine. The Harappans eventually moved and settled down south, the remaining population mixed with the Steppe nomads. https://m.economictimes.com/news/science/steppe-migration-to-india-was-between-3500-4000-years-ago-david-reich/amp_articleshow/71556277.cms They say harappan settled in gangetic plains. What about Dravidians where did they come from? How Tamilians became Dravidians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 On 5/16/2022 at 7:04 PM, sandeep said: Didn't find a thread on this. Can we get some quality info on this? Without any bigoted froth please, if possible. In a nutshell, its a battle between the Ancient Monuments Act and Places of Worship Act. The masjid management committee relies on the Places of Worship Act to challenge the validity of the survey. The Hindu sena cites the Ancient Monuments Act which says that the Places of Worship Act won't extend to historical sites, monuments or remains. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 7 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Are you Tony Joseph to concoct such stories out of no proof? If A river dried up, it would make sense for tribes to move to basins and settlements nearby rivers like Ganga , Yamuna etc., and not move across thick jungle and vindhya mountains to the south! Other theories like Kumarikandam make more sense than your theories Lol no proof eh?? There is DNA evidence from the skeleton found in Rakigarhi, there is archeological evidence from Keezhadi and Harappan ruins. Mainly there is linguistic evidence in practice, two different language scripts Tamil and Sanskrit. These are independently verified by various reputed sources all over the world. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, when you have been accusing Mughals of being Invaders when your ancestors are also not from “Bharat”. Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: They say harappan settled in gangetic plains. What about Dravidians where did they come from? How Tamilians became Dravidians? No proof of Harappan presence in Gangetic plains that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ash said: Lol no proof eh?? There is DNA evidence from the skeleton found in Rakigarhi, there is archeological evidence from Keezhadi and Harappan ruins. Mainly there is linguistic evidence in practice, two different language scripts Tamil and Sanskrit. These are independently verified by various reputed sources all over the world. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, when you have been accusing Mughals of being Invaders when your ancestors are also not from “Bharat”. https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rakhigarhi-dna-study-questions-aryan-invasion-theory-claims-author/articleshow/71001985.cms https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rakhigarhi-excavation-study-says-not-enough-proof-of-aryan-invasion-theory/story-ityRI9x66FZgO4J2KC2QYL.html Edited May 28, 2022 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 57 minutes ago, rkt.india said: https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rakhigarhi-dna-study-questions-aryan-invasion-theory-claims-author/articleshow/71001985.cms https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/rakhigarhi-excavation-study-says-not-enough-proof-of-aryan-invasion-theory/story-ityRI9x66FZgO4J2KC2QYL.html The study concluded that the skeleton did not have the steppe DNA, which means that Harappan civilisation predated the entry of Steppe nomads. Shinde interpretation is the opposite, he claimed that since there is no Steppe DNA , the IVC people were original Indians not migrated from other regions. If that’s the case, then why does most of the Indian population have the steppe DNA now, but not in the Skeleton ? Simple, the steppe came after IVC. The original study’s conclusion is not the same as Shinde’s claim and multiple coauthors of the science study have not agreed with his claims. https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, ash said: The study concluded that the skeleton did not have the steppe DNA, which means that Harappan civilisation predated the entry of Steppe nomads. Shinde interpretation is the opposite, he claimed that since there is no Steppe DNA , the IVC people were original Indians not migrated from other regions. If that’s the case, then why does most of the Indian population have the steppe DNA now, but not in the Skeleton ? Simple, the steppe came after IVC. The original study’s conclusion is not the same as Shinde’s claim and multiple coauthors of the science study have not agreed with his claims. https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite https://kreately.in/the-hoax-of-aryan-invasion-theory/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 5 hours ago, Mariyam said: How can you be so sure? Your ancestors could have been cowards who gave up their turf and fled to a safer part of the sub continent. Or they could have been collaborators with the foreign invaders, whom the invaders let be for vast sums of yearly payment. Lol. People who claim that they are “true” Hindus are funny. How far can one go back and prove their ancestory ? You can be a “pure” Hindu now, but 200 years back you could have been a Muslim orphan picked up by a Hindu Family. Or 600 years back you could have been a Mughal ruler’s descendant lost in war and raised as a Hindu. or maybe your Muslim family converted to Hinduism ? This applies to everyone who are proud to be a “true” something - True Hindu, Muslim, Tamilian, Brahmin, Christian, etc. History is fascinating, and our life is just a dot in the vast expanse. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: https://kreately.in/the-hoax-of-aryan-invasion-theory/ Really? Ok even if you take this seriously, see his point 7 where he has tried and failed miserably to hide the fact that the R1A gene is predominantly found in all Indians. But this is not found in the IVC skeleton. Hence again proving that IVC predated Steppe migration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Mariyam said: How can you be so sure? Your ancestors could have been cowards who gave up their turf and fled to a safer part of the sub continent. Or they could have been collaborators with the foreign invaders, whom the invaders let be for vast sums of yearly payment. Hilarious response The funny thing is, that bloke lives in the UK. Some of these hyper nationalistic Indians, who don't even live in India, are just a joke. ash, Mariyam and Stan AF 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ash said: Really? Ok even if you take this seriously, see his point 7 where he has tried and failed miserably to hide the fact that the R1A gene is predominantly found in all Indians. But this is not found in the IVC skeleton. Hence again proving that IVC predated Steppe migration. All Indians means all? So there is no Aryan-Dravidian divide. Edited May 28, 2022 by rkt.india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, ash said: Lol. People who claim that they are “true” Hindus are funny. How far can one go back and prove their ancestory ? You can be a “pure” Hindu now, but 200 years back you could have been a Muslim orphan picked up by a Hindu Family. Or 600 years back you could have been a Mughal ruler’s descendant lost in war and raised as a Hindu. or maybe your Muslim family converted to Hinduism ? This applies to everyone who are proud to be a “true” something - True Hindu, Muslim, Tamilian, Brahmin, Christian, etc. History is fascinating, and our life is just a dot in the vast expanse. Every muslim is a convert. So, there is no such thing like true Muslim. Even Arabians converted to Islam from some other religions. Only religion that can be talked about as far back as possible in history is Hinduism or what we call Sanatan Dharma. In fact, everyone east of Sindhu was Hindu and the religion they followed was Sanatan Dharma. We have no story available beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, rkt.india said: All Indians means all? Yes , the percentage of the gene might vary from region to region, but even if we take a random sample in any part of the subcontinent there is a high possibility that the r1a gene would be present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, ash said: Lol no proof eh?? There is DNA evidence from the skeleton found in Rakigarhi, there is archeological evidence from Keezhadi and Harappan ruins. Mainly there is linguistic evidence in practice, two different language scripts Tamil and Sanskrit. These are independently verified by various reputed sources all over the world. I know it is a bitter pill to swallow, when you have been accusing Mughals of being Invaders when your ancestors are also not from “Bharat”. Genetic study has many theories and are refuted by many. It is not an established fact. A lot of results are matched to original theories of AOT and AMT. Also, the distinction of ASI And ANI genes is so synthetically established , it is made to fit the Dravidistan race theory. That connection between Keezhadi and Harappan is a hogwash. There is a lot of continuation of artifacts like the toys, carts all over India. They just migrated to other basins. There is no fact to say all of them moved enmasse to Keezhadi, it is Caldwell science, why is TN Govt stopped any ASI excavation In Keezhadi? Just because your colonial Christian masters told that cock-n-Bull story of charging horsemen turned nomads from Steppe doesn’t make it a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Genetic study has many theories and are refuted by many. It is not an established fact. A lot of results are matched to original theories of AOT and AMT. Also, the distinction of ASI And ANI genes is so synthetically established , it is made to fit the Dravidistan race theory. That connection between Keezhadi and Harappan is a hogwash. There is a lot of continuation of artifacts like the toys, carts all over India. They just migrated to other basins. There is no fact to say all of them moved enmasse to Keezhadi, it is Caldwell science, why is TN Govt stopped any ASI excavation In Keezhadi? Just because your colonial Christian masters told that cock-n-Bull story of charging horsemen turned nomads from Steppe doesn’t make it a fact. lol. Now genetic studies are wrong ?? What next, earth is flat and the Christian missionaries are responsible for it. Come back with Scientific arguments, not about illuminati and Christian missionaries and other tinfoil ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 2 hours ago, ash said: Really? Ok even if you take this seriously, see his point 7 where he has tried and failed miserably to hide the fact that the R1A gene is predominantly found in all Indians. But this is not found in the IVC skeleton. Hence again proving that IVC predated Steppe migration. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867419309675 There are various studies that are kept and not just one established one. Also, there is a recent study that r1a1 dna originated from India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ash said: lol. Now genetic studies are wrong ?? What next, earth is flat and the Christian missionaries are responsible for it. Come back with Scientific arguments, not about illuminati and Christian missionaries and other tinfoil ideas Your science is not established one to taut it as a fact. Don’t read journalists like Tony Joseph writing articles on genetic science . These are real scientists who write papers https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6800651/ Don’t get my science by reading The Caravan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coffee_rules Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Progressives world over are canceling race theories that has led to two world wars, slavery and BLM movements, amazingly hold on to these Steppe stories of race divide to set a narrative for a political mileage. ash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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