Indian squad announced for T20 series against SA and 5th Test against England

[zen]

11s that can be competitive in the respective series: 

 

T20s

KL

Hooda (gets off the blocks quickly, can slip in an over too) 

Iyer/Rituraj, who can open

Pant 

SDP (Hardik)

DK 

Axar

Avesh/Bhuvi/Harshal

Arshdeep

Umran

Yuzi/Kuldeep/Bishnoi 

 

Test

Rohit

KL 

Gill 

Kohli

Count 

Pant

Ashwin/Jadeja

Thakur

Shami

Bumrah

Prasidh/Siraj/Umesh 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by zen

[express bowling]

T20I Squad ...

 

 

 

Positives ... 

 

1.  Umran Malik selected 

 

2.  Karthick is back

 

 

Negatives ... 

 

1.  Who will take wickets with the new ball  ???   This has been our biggest problem in the past but has not been addressed. 

 

2.  Too many trundlers. No pace in the attack apart from Umran, who is unlikely to play anyway.  (  Avesh is trundling big time )

 

3.  With Harshal, Bhuvi and Bumrah ( when he is back )  taking care of death bowling  (  and all 3 can't pick wickets with the new ball ) ... Arshdeep is an overkill ( with him being a good death bowler and bad new ball bowler too ).   If they wanted a left arm pacer then Khaleel, who can swing the new ball at pace and pick wickets, would have been a much better fit in the playing 11. 

 

4.  Too many slow starters at the top ( with Kishan out of form )

 

5. Kishan is too hit or miss. We need a better dashing opener. 

 

 

Overall ... Many more negatives than positives.  Old issues like lack of new ball wickets takers, too many trundlers and lack of in-form dashing openers still remain.

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by express bowling

[Majestic]

43 minutes ago, express bowling said:

T20I Squad ...

 

 

 

Positives ... 

 

1.  Umran Malik selected 

 

2.  Karthick is back

 

 

Negatives ... 

 

1.  Who will take wickets with the new ball  ???   This has been our biggest problem in the past but has not been addressed. 

 

2.  Too many trundlers. No pace in the attack apart from Umran, who is unlikely to play anyway.  (  Avesh is trundling big time )

 

3.  With Bumrah ( when he is back ) and Bhuvi taking care of death bowling  (  and both can't pick wickets with the new ball ) ... Arshdeep is an overkill ( with him being a good death bowler and bad new ball bowler too ).   If they wanted a left arm pacer then Khaleel, who can swing the new ball at pace and pick wickets, would have been a much better fit in the playing 11. 

 

4.  Too many slow starters at the top ( with Kishan out of form )

 

5. Kishan is too hit or miss. We need a better dashing opener. 

 

 

Overall ... Many more negatives than positives.  Old issues like lack of new ball wickets takers, too many trundlers and lack of in-form dashing openers still remain.

 

Yeah, there is sameness in bowling. Quite a few death overs bowlers but no guy who picks wickets upfront. I think we are ultimately resting our hopes on Mohammad Shami and Deepak Chahar to pick the wickets with new ball in T20 World Cup. Problem is neither of the two guys can be relied on death overs.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yeah, there is sameness in bowling. Quite a few death overs bowlers but no guy who picks wickets upfront. I think we are ultimately resting our hopes on Mohammad Shami and Deepak Chahar to pick the wickets with new ball in T20 World Cup. Problem is neither of the two guys can be relied on death overs.

 

 

Deepak may not be effective in Australia. And he has been very expensive in recent T20Is anyway. Plus he is coming back from a long injury layoff and his form can't be tested.

 

And including Shami in T20s is a big risk.

Edited May 24, 2022 by express bowling

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Deepak may not be effective in Australia. And he has been very expensive in recent T20Is anyway. Plus he is coming back from a long injury layoff and his form can't be tested.

 

And including Shami in T20s is a big risk.

Im a big advocate of trying hour whole pool even fringe players before t20 wc

Its a lottery format,no point of grooming one for the future

 

In t20s,dynamics change in matter of six months,we should not be looking more than 6-12 months wrt to some guys especially in t20s

Building acore seema overrated in this fast dynamic format,no one should be certainity while other fomats don't apply the same

[Mesky99]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Im a big advocate of trying hour whole pool even fringe players before t20 wc

Its a lottery format,no point of grooming one for the future

 

In t20s,dynamics change in matter of six months,we should not be looking more than 6-12 months wrt to some guys especially in t20s

Building acore seema overrated in this fast dynamic format,no one should be certainity while other fomats don't apply the same

This until you don't try out new players we will never get the right combo, different combo should be tried out, in particular bowlers, what we saw with bhuvi, chahar, harshal in the home t20s is that they may survive on slower pitches but even then never run through teams due to lack of ability, siraj not yet there with execution and avesh is not any better than prasidh. Harshal, arshdeep and bhuvi in the same squad is flawed to the point we they could assembling a team of middle overs/death over bowlers nut no enforcer or wicket taking options. With Mohsin, bumrah, prasidh and harshal they end up covering all aspects, new ball, enforcer, middle overs, death overs, bounce, hard lengths, pace. Complete attack.

 

[Texan]

Why is Mohsin Khan not in our squad? He has been consistently delivering spells at around 6 an over and getting wickets. What is wrong with these selectors? They never pick the right people!

[vvvslaxman]

Avesh full toss khan is not going to work out. He is a perfectly hittable bowler. Seen many times. If you bowl 10 times and you can't be hit for 8 or 9 times then you can call yousrelf a gun death bowler. Avesh is more like 50 50 guy. He is not even close to Shami with new ball. So what is his skill actually?

[Vickydev]

Avesh Khan is a terrible selection, Mohsin should have been there.

[PSB_Zone]

3 hours ago, Vickydev said:

Avesh Khan is a terrible selection, Mohsin should have been there.

Mohsin does not look fit. Also he is as of now a terrible fielder. Apart from that he is very good

[PSB_Zone]

I wd hav selected

 

Abhishek sharma for Rahul

Sanju for Pant

P shaw for Rituraj

R Tripathi for Venki Iyer

 

Mohsin for bhuvi wd have been good as well but it wd hv made the entire bowling attack inexperinced. Also Mohsin needs to work on fitness. 

 

 

That wd have given everyone who is selected for England rest. 

 

Anyways My team with present squad 

 

Rahul/Kishan/Iyer/Pant/Hardik/DK/Hooda/Bhuvi/Harshal/Umran/Chahal

Edited May 26, 2022 by PSB_Zone

[Vickydev]

7 hours ago, PSB_Zone said:

Mohsin does not look fit. Also he is as of now a terrible fielder. Apart from that he is very good

Fielding is overrated in T20 cricket. As long as he is a safe fielder, he will be fine as others around him can be the better ones.

 

4 overs for 28 with a wicket or two in exchange for 4 overs for 40 is much better with say 5 or 6 runs lost in the field. Plus he looks like he can tonk with the bat. Him over Avesh is a no brainer for me

[Suhaan]

19 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

So what is his skill actually?

To huff and puff after one over

[The Realist]

22 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Avesh full toss khan is not going to work out. He is a perfectly hittable bowler. Seen many times. If you bowl 10 times and you can't be hit for 8 or 9 times then you can call yousrelf a gun death bowler. Avesh is more like 50 50 guy. He is not even close to Shami with new ball. So what is his skill actually?

 

Journeyman trundler 

 

This team desperately needs some x factor players as its sinking in mediocrity 

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 hours ago, The Realist said:

 

Journeyman trundler 

 

This team desperately needs some x factor players as its sinking in mediocrity 

 

Mil to gaya umran 

[Lord]

On 5/24/2022 at 12:26 PM, express bowling said:

T20I Squad ...

 

 

 

Positives ... 

 

1.  Umran Malik selected 

 

2.  Karthick is back

 

 

Negatives ... 

 

1.  Who will take wickets with the new ball  ???   This has been our biggest problem in the past but has not been addressed. 

 

2.  Too many trundlers. No pace in the attack apart from Umran, who is unlikely to play anyway.  (  Avesh is trundling big time )

 

3.  With Harshal, Bhuvi and Bumrah ( when he is back )  taking care of death bowling  (  and all 3 can't pick wickets with the new ball ) ... Arshdeep is an overkill ( with him being a good death bowler and bad new ball bowler too ).   If they wanted a left arm pacer then Khaleel, who can swing the new ball at pace and pick wickets, would have been a much better fit in the playing 11. 

 

4.  Too many slow starters at the top ( with Kishan out of form )

 

5. Kishan is too hit or miss. We need a better dashing opener. 

 

 

Overall ... Many more negatives than positives.  Old issues like lack of new ball wickets takers, too many trundlers and lack of in-form dashing openers still remain.

 

 

SRH didn't but we can try Umran with new ball alongwith middle overs.

 

If it works, he can really strike upfront

[Lord]

Mohsin is in his first season,was never gonna be selected,much like Mukesh

[Ankit_sharma03]

16 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

SRH didn't but we can try Umran with new ball alongwith middle overs.

 

If it works, he can really strike upfront

They did in 2 games and he was taken apart, abhi he cant control it. Its not even easy with speed...........akram has spoken in lengths how he n many use to find it hard to control white new ball 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

They did in 2 games and he was taken apart, abhi he cant control it. Its not even easy with speed...........akram has spoken in lengths how he n many use to find it hard to control white new ball 

I don't expect him to great straightaway too. But can get better if he does it more

 

He has the striking ability we currently lack with new ball.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

I don't expect him to great straightaway too. But can get better if he does it more

 

He has the striking ability we currently lack with new ball.

They are working on it in nets, steyn knws better when to do it . Its something he ll get better with time but as of now avoid specially in t20 as it takes 1-2 overs that can change entire game . 

New ball ke specialist dekho, aisi kisi ko bhi pakda do to maar padegi . These days against guys like warner, butler margin of error is so limited and not being able to control the ball is giving that margin which is what happened against warner that day. Someone like a butler is going after inexperinced guys like him only.