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7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

100% agreed.  Loudmouth costed us a lot more than originally thought.  And why can't BJP do anything about Zubair...  He has been one royal pain in the a** for them.  Also Journos with solid connections in the West like Arfa Nidhi Barkha Rana should be on GOI's payroll...  Faltu domestic sadak chap journalist should be told to stfu.  Unless & until u control media that matters I will never be able to counter the narrative.   This rulebook 101 from China.  Classic strategy 

 

There is no rule book for India. There cannot be any rulebook from India. All we have is chaos. 

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7 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

 

Consider Israel. Small size. They are so skilled at foreign policy that none of the arab states can raise a finger. Jews in America are in essence a lobbying group for Israel. Look at our own. Our NRI's care two hoots about Bharat. They actively hate it. All they want is a job and school for kids. 

 

You need to get in touch with reality dude. Israel didn't get ita influence in USA just because their ambassadors are great. Jews have been living in Europe for multiple centuries and formed strong connections since middle ages. And when things were going wrong in Europe they emigrated to USA and again, used those connections to join the major institutions and gain power. By the time Israel was formed, they already had control over some major financial, cultural industries.

 

Indians started going to USA in 60s and even now, majority just live within their community and do corporate jobs. They don't control any major industries like jews. Stop comparing with them and be realistic

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1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nupur has done International Beizzatti of our beloved Vishwaguru..  Blasphemy of highest order.  Jaishankar must be a busy man today.  Entire BJP leaders should give him 50% of their salaries.   Whatta mess.  Apologies galore behind the scenes I think. 

 

 

Not just oil, India is dependent on Saudi, Iran, Qatar for diplomacy against Pakistan. They act as a deterrent for any direct action by Pakistan. Plus Modi wants a Nobel peace prize as well

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39 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Posted in the Zoobear video in the OP. She got instigated by insults to Shiva and retaliated with taunts saying even she can say Mohd had nuptials with a 9 year old girl. Some of the hadiths claim this as a fact. Asking resident Islamic scholar @Alam_dar

She messed up real bad. Govt reps don't get into these low level mud slinging arguments. Yeah, it's not a fair world. 

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36 minutes ago, ash said:


Haha cannot argue against NCRB data eh? Lol okay, tomorrow is Monday try explaining your posts here to your White overlords if your really “stand by everything” . Good luck. 

I will chose an audience and podium of my choice. I have not disclosed my BJP IT cell job at my employers. I don’t dispute much of NCRB which is filled by leftist, casteist babus, take stats with a bucket of salt. Unlike you, who support the genocide of Brahmins openly like the spokesman of your party

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14 minutes ago, Serpico said:

You need to get in touch with reality dude. Israel didn't get ita influence in USA just because their ambassadors are great. Jews have been living in Europe for multiple centuries and formed strong connections since middle ages. And when things were going wrong in Europe they emigrated to USA and again, used those connections to join the major institutions and gain power. By the time Israel was formed, they already had control over some major financial, cultural industries.

 

Indians started going to USA in 60s and even now, majority just live within their community and do corporate jobs. They don't control any major industries like jews. Stop comparing with them and be realistic

No i am saying that Israel have become influential due to their diaspora, NOT ambassadors.

 

And you need not control large institutions for influence. Just band together, pool the resources and form strong lobby groups. 

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1 minute ago, Clarke said:

More than the oil & Pak centric diplomacy, it's the zillion Indians in ME who provide for their families in India and keep our CAD in order. 

And they are important to host economies too. 

 

It's just that which group has the guts to bell the cat.

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47 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Posted in the Zoobear video in the OP. She got instigated by insults to Shiva and retaliated with taunts saying even she can say Mohd had nuptials with a 9 year old girl. Some of the hadiths claim this as a fact. Asking resident Islamic scholar @Alam_dar

Another argument is Mohd belonged to a particular era & place where such practices were normal.  He certainly wouldn't be first one to do that 

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Just now, kepler37b said:

No i am saying that jews have become influential due to their diaspora, NOT ambassadors.

 

And you need not control large institutions for influence. Just band together, pool the resources and form strong lobby groups. 

Lobby groups can only do so much. They can buy politicians but they change every 4 years. And don't forget there's other lobbies who also buy them. You need to control institutions for long lasting influence on population. Israel is a very very unique situation, comparing with them is pointless.

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39 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Posted in the Zoobear video in the OP. She got instigated by insults to Shiva and retaliated with taunts saying even she can say Mohd had nuptials with a 9 year old girl. Some of the hadiths claim this as a fact. Asking resident Islamic scholar @Alam_dar

 

Of course, Aisha was married at the age of 6, and marriage was consummated when she was 9. 

 

In fact, Aisha was a lucky girl that she had to undergo the sex trauma at age of 9, while original face of Islam is much dirtier than this. 

 

According to Islam, a father can even wed a small breastfed baby girl too, and husband is allowed to undress her, kiss her naked body, rub his penis in her thighs to ejaculate.

 

If she is 4 or 5 years old, then the husband can compel her to masturbate her. 

 

And at the age of 5, 6, 7 or 8, if husband thinks that she is strong enough to bear the pain of penetration, then he could also go for penetration. 

 

The biggest Islamic website islamweb.net gave this fatwa(link):
الاستمتاع بالزوجة الصغيرة.. رؤية شرعية ۔۔۔
Taking sexual pleasure from minor girl according to Sharia. 
فإنه لا حرجَ في تقبيلِ الزوجة الصغيرة بشهوة والمفاخذة ونحوَ ذلك ولو كانت لا تطيقُ الجماع وقد بيَّنَ العلماء أن الأصلَ جوازُ استمتاع الرجل بزوجته كيف شاء إذا لم يكن ضرر وذكروا في ذلك استمناءَه بيدها ومداعبَتها وتقبيلَها وغير ذلك
There is no problem to kiss the minor girl wife with intention of sexual pleasure and to do "مفاخذہ" which is to rub the penis between her thighs in order to ejaculate the sperms, or to do any other similar act. All these acts of sexual pleasure are permitted, even if she does not possess the power for penetration. According to Ulama, a husband is free to enjoy her in every way till the time no harm is done to her. So, the minor girl could masturbate him, foreplay could be done with her, she could be kissed and similar other things.

There are dozens of such fatwas present, but Muslims today have very successfully hidden them from the rest of the world. It is very unfortunate. The worst thing is, 95% Muslims themselves don't know about this original dirty face of Islam

 

Due to penetration in minor girls, their vagina and anus could become one

There is risk of permanent damage to the minor girl that due to penetration, her vagina and anus could become one. For Sunni Ulama it seems to be OK. Nevertheless, Shia Imam Khomeini did write about punishment for this permanent damage. 
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مسألة 12 : لا يجوز وطء الزوجة قبل إكمال تسع سنين ، دواما كان النكاح أو منقطعا ، و أما سائر الاستمتاعات كاللمس بشهوة و الضم و التفخيذ فلا بأس بها حتى فى الرضيعة ولو وطئها قبل التسع ولم يفضها لم يترتّب عليه شي‏ء غير الإثم على الأقوى، وإن أفضاها - بأن جعل مسلكي البول والحيض واحدا أو مسلكي الحيض والغائط واحدا - حرم عليه وطؤها أبدا، لكن على الأحوط في الصورة الثانية. وعلى أيّ حال لم تخرج عن زوجيّته على الأقوى، فيجري عليها أحكامها من التوارث وحرمة الخامسة وحرمة اُختها معها وغيرها
Tahreer al-Waseelah, volume 2, page 343
Issue #12: It is not permissible to have sexual intercourse (with one’s wife) before she reaches 9 years in age, be it in Nikaah (permanent marriage) or Mut’a (temporary marriage). As for all other pleasures such as lustful touch, embracing, and thighing, there is no problem in it, even if she is a suckling baby. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged by vagina and anus becoming one. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister.

 

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2 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

And they are important to host economies too. 

 

It's just that which group has the guts to bell the cat.

 

The majority are low wage workers with competition from our neighbourhood & other Asian countries. The overall equation is baised towards one side for now but it need not be so in the coming decades. 

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27 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Left me confused. So, are you saying that what Nupur Sharma said was factually wrong or are you saying BJP should not have suspended her. So, just to make it easier for us to understand, three questions directly. 

 

1) What she said about Prophet was factually wrong ?

2) If above was right, why should BJP ban her and why are you celebrating it ?

3) Would you hold the same view for those who were poking fun at Shivling ?

 

I am just laughing at the chest thumping about BJP foreign relations by the ppl here , but in reality any amount of slight pressure will make then crawl. 

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1 minute ago, Serpico said:

Lobby groups can only do so much. They can buy politicians but they change every 4 years. And don't forget there's other lobbies who also buy them. You need to control institutions for long lasting influence on population. Israel is a very very unique situation, comparing with them is pointless.

And do you think that they are doing that ?

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1 minute ago, kepler37b said:

And do you think that they are doing that ?

Yes. No amount of ambassadors can make this situation any better. If Joe Biden's press secretary talks about mohd on tv, she'll be sacked too. That doesn't mean american ambassadors are weak, they just can't control everything. When you're in power, you need to show some tact on tv. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Clarke said:

More than the oil & Pak centric diplomacy, it's the zillion Indians in ME who provide for their families in India and keep our CAD in order. 

Oil is a drain on current account. Had mentioned prospective use of 100% ethanol replacing petrol in this respect.

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8 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

And do you think that they are doing that ?

I have been here a long time, things have been so different in the last 8 years, in terms of public opinion. But not to influence any government policy or foreign relations. The tech community totally depends on H1b jobs and politicians don’t intervene with that. But NRIs are not activists unlike some of the countries which send refugees. 

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