Vijy Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, zen said: Those films need no thrashing sometimes, trashing a trashy film that is self-evidently trashy can be very entertaining. the ending of KKHH from the 90s, where everyone is weeping enough to fill the pacific ocean, is incredibly hilarious. before someone else gets offended, I will add that I still have a soft spot for these films zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 30 minutes ago, zen said: We are talking about masala films here (also there is no trapping a rich girl if you have actually seen the film recently) ... I have not even thrashed Pyaasa yet, which I think I should What was the purpose of your pyaasa post? It was flippant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, Vijy said: sometimes, trashing a trashy film that is self-evidently trashy can be very entertaining. the ending of KKHH from the 90s, where everyone is weeping enough to fill the pacific ocean, is incredibly hilarious. before someone else gets offended, I will add that I still have a soft spot for these films Soye huye nagin ko jaga diya tune. That “someone” will be like: Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 17 minutes ago, Vijy said: sometimes, trashing a trashy film that is self-evidently trashy can be very entertaining. the ending of KKHH from the 90s, where everyone is weeping enough to fill the pacific ocean, is incredibly hilarious. before someone else gets offended, I will add that I still have a soft spot for these films A plus, if one can say that, for these 90a films is that they do not attempt to be anything different. They meet their target market's expectations When it comes to films like Pyaasa is that they are seen as (or maybe even marketed as) relatively different from regular masala entertainers even though they follow the standard Bollywood structure. When it comes to RK, he understood what the large part of the audiences wanted. He blended arty elements with masala to fine tune the Bollywood style of masala films. A section maybe like Guru Dutt's films are better because he tired to steer away from the masala elements in some of his films and if so those films should be judged accordingly ... If you look at a masala films, its elements include a combination of comedy, tragedy, romance, thrills/action/mystery, songs, etc., where the weightage of elements depends on a film's focus. Let's look at Pyaasa fleetingly. It has Guru Dutt, a relatively uncharismatic actor, as the lead, therefore, the film automatically needs to make up a lot in other areas. From a 2022 perspective, where people have access to films from across the globe, how different is this different Bollywood film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: What was the purpose of your pyaasa post? It was flippant. To provide my casual take on it ... Pyaasa was not even on my radar but it appears as if it may be a strong candidate for an "actual thrashing" Edited June 8, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, zen said: To provide my casual take on it ... Pyaasa was not even on my radar but it appears as if it may be a strong candidate for an "actual thrashing" I thought you want to see a movie to enjoy its excellences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I thought you want to see a movie to enjoy its excellences With Pyaasa, I was not satisfied from what I recall As someone who likes to write including poetry at times, I also had an inclination to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 9:23 PM, Vijy said: Greater film - Awara Fav film - Awara it is an easy choice for me, because I find both personal and cinematic reasons to like awara more I thought RK over did the whole 'woe is me' act to death in Awaara. Its gets very repetitive and honestly I find RK a very limited actor. Also Awaara like most RK movies had a social message, mainly leaning towards socialism. That mixed with the general nature vs nurture theme makes for a very dull viewing. Shree 420 is lighter. RK doesn't take himself as seriously. Definitely a fun watch. Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 2:31 PM, zen said: With Pyaasa, I was not satisfied from what I recall As someone who likes to write including poetry at times, I also had an inclination to like it. Kabhi sunao aapke kavita Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/9/2022 at 12:01 AM, zen said: With Pyaasa, I was not satisfied from what I recall As someone who likes to write including poetry at times, I also had an inclination to like it. Say whaaaaat? Sahir had some of his best filmi poetry/lyrics in this movie. How can you not like "yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya hai?" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Lr0JYAro Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Say whaaaaat? Sahir had some of his best filmi poetry/lyrics in this movie. How can you not like "yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya hai?" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Lr0JYAro one of his best, although "woh subah kabhi to ayegi" is another brilliant song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Mariyam said: I thought RK over did the whole 'woe is me' act to death in Awaara. Its gets very repetitive and honestly I find RK a very limited actor. Also Awaara like most RK movies had a social message, mainly leaning towards socialism. That mixed with the general nature vs nurture theme makes for a very dull viewing. Shree 420 is lighter. RK doesn't take himself as seriously. Definitely a fun watch. yes, it is rather over indulgent at times, but I am willing to be indulgent toward it for other cinematic/personal reasons. it was a landmark film in many ways; helped put Ind on the map for many countries that were not exposed to Ind cinema before Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Mariyam said: Say whaaaaat? Sahir had some of his best filmi poetry/lyrics in this movie. How can you not like "yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya hai?" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6Lr0JYAro The film does have some nice poetry ... Coincidentally, a key issue that I have with the film is captured by the song you posted -> The poet is the rare good character in the film. In a way the film is about connecting various bad characters through the poet: The siblings (the interactions are similar to those b/w a cruel saas & innocent bahu, which used to be a theme in many films), who do not even inform the poet on a death in the family The mohla publisher who puts the poems in the bin (but changes his tune later on) The guys at the restaurants The college lover who ditched the poet for money but now wants to betray her husband for him Talking about the college lover's husband, he is, as expected, mean and opportunistic The poet has a close friend, who too betrays him by not recognizing him Finally, a large part of the society which gives the poet the opportunity to sing the song you posted Besides the poet, the good characters include the helpless mom and the streetwalker, who is supposed to be badchalan, along with a character here & there like Johnny Walker's, whose song "sar tera chakraye" appears to be directed towards audiences suggesting that he is out there to give them relief if they suffer from headaches due to the film where the lead character bursts into a sad song at the drop of a hat! Among Guru Dutt's produced films, I do like films such as "Chaudhvin ka Chand", which too has that nice title song with good lyrics! Edited June 18, 2022 by zen Mariyam and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 49 minutes ago, zen said: The film does have some nice poetry ... Coincidentally, a key issue that I have with the film is captured by the song you posted -> The poet is the rare good character in the film. In a way the film is about connecting various bad characters through the poet: The siblings (the interactions are similar to those b/w a cruel saas & innocent bahu, which used to be a theme in many films), who do not even inform the poet on a death in the family The mohla publisher who puts the poems in the bin (but changes his tune later on) The guys at the restaurants The college lover who ditched the poet for money but now wants to betray her husband for him Talking about the college lover's husband, he is, as expected, mean and opportunistic The poet has a close friend, who too betrays him by not recognizing him Finally, a large part of the society which gives the poet the opportunity to sing the song you posted Besides the poet, the good characters include the helpless mom and the streetwalker, who is supposed to be badchalan, along with a character here & there like Johnny Walker's, whose song "sar tera chakraye" appears to be directed towards audiences suggesting that he is out there to give them relief if they suffer from headaches due to the film where the lead character bursts into a sad song at the drop of a hat! Among Guru Dutt's produced films, I do like films such as "Chaudhvin ka Chand", which too has that nice title song with good lyrics! My fav of Guru-ji's produced (not directed) films is Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam; stunning cinematography, great songs, interesting plot, fine acting performances, and so on coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 one positive that was not mentioned for shree 420 in my opinion is nadira's acting performance. nadira was a compelling presence on screen during most of her "vamp" roles; she harnessed her so-called exotic (baghad jew) looks to good effect. zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 18, 2022 Author Share Posted June 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, Vijy said: My fav of Guru-ji's produced (not directed) films is Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam; stunning cinematography, great songs, interesting plot, fine acting performances, and so on The Bengali zamindaari culture in colonial Kolkata is portrayed nicely too Vijy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 8:11 PM, zen said: The Bengali zamindaari culture in colonial Kolkata is portrayed nicely too indeed, a pretty aunthetic portrayal (with some cinematic liberties) based on some ex-zamindari families I know zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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